Six Flags St. Louis Discussion Thread

[Jp]

Busch Fire near park Today!

http://www.fox2now.com/videobeta/997022b7-b0fe-47ce-98f2-ffbcf148a8db/News/Brush-Fire-Near-Six-Flags

[nitrofan]

So Busch set a fire near the park to try to get rid of the competition? Or did you mean brush fire? :p

[Jp]

I ment brush fire my bad..

[Jp]

Reported from Screamscape:
2011 - New Screamin’ Eagle Trains - Rumor - (6/5/10) According to one source, Six Flags St. Louis may be considering switching out their old PTC trains on the Screamin’ Eagle in 2011 in favor of some refurbished versions of the old Gerstlauter trains that used to run on Twisted Twins at the former Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom park.

What do you think?

[palmer]

Timberliners, anyone?

[nitrofan]

Timberliners, anyone?

Timberliners look like a good train, but not something I'd like to see on every wooden coaster out there. It's kind of like the "Texas Giant Treatment"; good on some coasters, but not all.

[Jp]

Well I was reading a thread on www.sfstl.net that is called 2011 rumors and here is a new post from today:

Well I work with a couple head officials at six flags st.louis, and i decided to join the site just so i could share the rumor i have been hearing. Apparently the 2011 addition is going to be a large scale project aimed at putting SFST back on the map with thrill-seekers, and hopefully gain a great deal of business in the process. At the time(which was in early july) I heard mostly talk of goliath,X2, or Nitro.

It has been confirmed that the new addition will be located in the area east of Tidal Wave, and will open a new section of the park for future additions. I have no idea whether Tidal Wave will remain or when construction will begin, but whatever is in store for 2011 it certainly appeares to be promising!

If this is true, it will be a great addition to the park, but until we find out more leave everything in this thread about the rumor..

[SFNE Expert]

Will SF StL finally get their hyper that was ripped away from them twice? I'm praying that they will. Raging Bull was designed for them, then Goliath at SFOG was also designed for them. They deserve it after a long time of waiting.

Is Tidal Wave near Mr. Freeze? I had heard that there were some markers spotted near the launch...

[Austin]

I have a hard time believing this guy because how can you work with management if you can't even use grammar correctly?

[Jp]

Will SF StL finally get their hyper that was ripped away from them twice? I'm praying that they will. Raging Bull was designed for them, then Goliath at SFOG was also designed for them. They deserve it after a long time of waiting.

Is Tidal Wave near Mr. Freeze? I had heard that there were some markers spotted near the launch...

Tidal Wave is not buy Mr. Freeze, it at the northeast corner of the park and there is a big open field if you past the ride.

But I only give the rumor 10% of being true..

[Jp]

Another rumor is that they will annonce the ride this month. I guess all of Six Flags will release something this month.

What do you think SFStL will get?

[SFNE Expert]

GIGA!!!! Just kidding.

[DarienLake:D]

A flat maybe...

[David]

SFSt.L Would have already started to receive parts if a new ride we're arriving from B&M, Intamin, S&S or whoever. It's probably not happening.

[SFNE Expert]

No park has received any parts yet. Just putting that out there.

[Austin]

Technically Magic Mountain did lol.

[SFNE Expert]

In a way, yes. Haha, but that was originally for 2010 so that doesn't technically count.

[Jp]

2 killed, dozens hurt in school bus crash in Mo. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100805/ap_on_re_us/us_school_bus_accident)GRAY SUMMIT, Mo. – Two buses carrying high school band students to an amusement park Thursday slammed into a freeway wreck that happened right in front of them, crushing a pickup truck and killing its driver, as well as one of the students. Dozens of other students were treated for injuries.
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20100805/capt.6e536e9cc6dd4140badb30c63b42b456-6e536e9cc6dd4140badb30c63b42b456-0.jpg?x=400&y=293&q=85&sig=iZMrLqPwSFSYVnd2.FzFEg--

They were all headed to Six Flags St. Louis this morning. So sad and I was on that road one month ago.:(:(

[SFNE Expert]

Thats crazy! I'm praying that everyone is alright.

[DarienLake:D]

There is a sports car under that first bus... between the truck and bus... or SUV i forget what they said... But i bet that was one of the people that died...

And i was on that road 2 years ago this month...

[Jp]

There is a meeting for planning and zoning on the 25th of this month for the city of Eureka, Missouri (If you didn't know that's where is SFSTL is located in). They will give out more information about the meeting this friday the 20th at 5:00pm. For more information: http://www.eureka.mo.us/agendas/pz.htm

[nitrofan]

There is a meeting for planning and zoning on the 25th of this month for the city of Eureka, Missouri (If you didn't know that's where is SFSTL is located in). They will give out more information about the meeting this friday the 20th at 5:00pm. For more information: http://www.eureka.mo.us/agendas/pz.htm

It's just a meeting, or they have something planned for SFStL?

[Jp]

I really don't know but it's a small city, so I guess wait tell Friday.

[SFNE Expert]

It has to be for SFSTL.

[nitrofan]

It has to be for SFSTL.

I thought it was just a town meeting. They could be discussing the park, why the Super 8 next to the park should be closed, or anything else.

[Truth Seeker]

do we know anyone who lives in that area? I am interested to see what's going on..

[SFNE Expert]

The people on SFSTL.com will keep us up to date with whats happening.

[Jp]

Heres the information about the meeting.

City of Eureka
"Proud Past - Promising Future"


Planning & Zoning Commission Meeting Agenda

All City meetings now commence at 7:00 PM

AUGUST 25, 2010
PLANNING & ZONING COMMISSION
AGENDA

PUBLIC HEARING - 7:00 P.M.
A. A petition from Panera Bread, LLC, for a Special Use Permit for a St. Louis Bread Company drive-through component to be located at 201 East Fifth Street (Eureka Pointe Shopping Center).
B. A petition from Commerce Bank for an amended Special Use Permit for the inclusion of an ATM to be located at 203 East Fifth Street (Eureka Pointe Shopping Center).

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

1. Call to Order

2. Act on Minutes of August 11, 2010

3. GUESTS: The Guest Period is a special time each meeting during which individuals may introduce themselves and comment on Planning & Zoning matters. After the Guest Period, the meeting is devoted to business on the agenda and subjects introduced by members of the Commission. Guests are expected to refrain from comment during this portion of the meeting unless recognized by the Chairperson.

4. OLD BUSINESS:

5. NEW BUSINESS:
A. Consideration of a petition from Panera Bread, LLC, for a Special Use Permit for a St. Louis Bread Company drive-through component to be located at 201 East Fifth Street (Eureka Pointe Shopping Center).
B. Consideration of a petition from Commerce Bank for an amended Special Use Permit for the inclusion of an ATM to be located at 203 East Fifth Street (Eureka Pointe Shopping Center).
C. Consideration of a petition from the Rockwood School District and Selbert Enterprises, LLC for a Boundary Adjustment for property located at 410 West Fourth Street and 442 West Fourth Street.

6. ADDITIONAL BUSINESS:

7. ADJOURNMENT

8. UPCOMING MEETINGS:
- September 15, 2010
- September 29, 2010

http://www.eureka.mo.us/agendas/pz.htm

Nothing to do for Six Flags St. Louis =(..

[DarienLake:D]

Maybe they already had a meeting about it? idk

[SFNE Expert]

http://www.sixflags.com/stlouis/tickets/seasonpass.aspx

5. New Ride in 2011
A towering new attraction launches exclusively at Six Flags St. Louis in 2011. Stay tuned!

GIGA!!!!!! GIGA GIGA GIGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote me on that. I'm the first to say it. SFSTL is getting a Giga.

[DarienLake:D]

http://www.sixflags.com/stlouis/tickets/seasonpass.aspx



GIGA!!!!!! GIGA GIGA GIGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote me on that. I'm the first to say it. SFSTL is getting a Giga.

watch it be only 200ft :-p

[palmer]

A few things are running through my head. Starflyer, Drop Tower, Hyper, Giga, Observation Tower. Now, they do have Superman: Tower of Power, which gives me the hint that the Drop Tower is gonna happen. The starflyer would almost be like copying CF's 2011. Giga, well, can't say much. But if it's true, I give full credit to calling it. I'm feeling a B&M Hyper. They have one B&M, and it's a clone (Batman: The Ride). I could see a B&M Hyper, with the newer trains like Intimidator and Diamondback

[nitrofan]

A few things are running through my head. Starflyer, Drop Tower, Hyper, Giga, Observation Tower. Now, they do have Superman: Tower of Power, which gives me the hint that the Drop Tower is gonna happen. The starflyer would almost be like copying CF's 2011. Giga, well, can't say much. But if it's true, I give full credit to calling it. I'm feeling a B&M Hyper. They have one B&M, and it's a clone (Batman: The Ride). I could see a B&M Hyper, with the newer trains like Intimidator and Diamondback

NOOOOO!!!! Please, NEVER produce those new trains again! The old trains are soo much better.

A B&M Hyper would be awesome, but please us the 1st generation trains.

[Austin]

Whats wrong with the new trains? The only difference is you get stadium style seating so that everyone can have a good view.

[Jp]

Can't wait to go to this park next year!!

[nitrofan]

Whats wrong with the new trains? The only difference is you get stadium style seating so that everyone can have a good view.

Everyone got a good view on the old seats too. I just think the new trains are a gimmick, if you want to sit next to someone you know, you can only sit in half the rows, there is lots of wasted space, and the longer trains run slower than the old trains.

[DarienLake:D]

I think the new trains look cool but it just kinda sucks that they take up soo much room...

[nitrofan]

I think the new trains look cool but it just kinda sucks that they take up soo much room...

They look cool and they're a good idea on paper, as Austin's seeing, but in reality, I think they're just a gimmick, and the old trains are SO much better.

[SFNE Expert]

Old trains are much much better. They give better airtime IMO to. Who thinks Diamondback would be a better ride with the older trains because the old trains are shorter and don't lag over the hills.

[palmer]

Well, I really can't get into this. I'm used to the 1st generation trains of Nitro, and haven't been on the 2nd generation. I was just saying the 2nd generation because there isn't many B&M Hypers out there with 2nd generation. I know Raging Bull, Nitro, Goliath (SFOG & La Ronde), Apollo's Chariot, Silver Star, and Hollywood Dream: The Ride. There's 8 of them. There is only 3 2nd generation coasters; Intimidator, Behemoth, and Diamondback.

[gl2007]

Watch the new attraction be another ropes corse like at SFGA lol. Can Six Flags even afford a hyper coaster at the moment?

[SFNE Expert]

Of course they can.

[DarienLake:D]

Of course it will send them more in debt but all in all usually they pay them selfs off within a few seasons...

[SFNE Expert]

They're ahead of where they projected they're debt to currently be. They'll be fine if they purchase a hyper. Look at Cedar Fair. You have to spend money to earn money.

[DarienLake:D]

They're ahead of where they projected they're debt to currently be. They'll be fine if they purchase a hyper. Look at Cedar Fair. You have to spend money to earn money.

Exactly...

[Changsucks]

I really hope this happens, it would be an awesome addition for a park that deserves it!

[Jp]

Well another "hint" from SFSTL facebook

Six Flags St. Louis There is a clue on our website, http://www.sixflags.com/stlouis, as to what we will be getting next year! Anybody care to take a guess as to what it might be!?!?!?

[nitrofan]

Watch the new attraction be another ropes corse like at SFGA lol. Can Six Flags even afford a hyper coaster at the moment?

Yes they can afford one for reasons stated by others above, but I just want to point out that the ropes course was not a mainstream expansion. When something like a ropes course is just added, there's nothing wrong with that, especially when the park also got a coaster this year (no matter how small it is).

[SFNE Expert]

Intamin impulse

[nitrofan]

Intamin impulse

That doesn't really follow any of the clues though.

[SFNE Expert]

^Get ready to be launched into a towering new attraction exclusively at SFSTL in 2011.

Rumors on SFSTL.net have said that some employee's were told it would be a cross between Mr. Freeze and Batman and be placed in Tidal Waves spot. What do you get? Impulse.

Thats what I think anyways. We'll see tomorrow.

[David]

No news on the next addition yet? hm...

[nitrofan]

No news on the next addition yet? hm...

It's still early. Six Flags has announced new additions as late as the last week in October before.

[Changsucks]

But if it was something as big as a hyper, you would think it would be the first to be announced. Or maybe they are saving the best for last?

And then Screamscape posts this...

The latest odd rumor for Six Flags St. Louis claims that the 2011 attraction, while large indeed, will only be a temporary attraction for the 2011. Miss it, and you lose forever. Could this be true? I’d say it certainly is possible, especially given the limit amount of time the new management had to make all new plans for 2011. Besides, it’s not like a few Six Flags parks have only had rides added for a year or two before… I see to recall the Condor at SFMM only being there for just about a year or so.

...Which just makes things even more confusing. I really have no idea.

[SFNE Expert]

Maybe it was the planned coaster for SFNE :P

I kid. My bets is its just a huge flat that has two parts. In 2012 it will be broken up into two parts and half goes east and half goes west. You know where they will end up.

But I'm 80% sure that its just a Starflyer from Funtime to piss of Cedar Fair. It is replacing the swings and the swings will go to GAdv.

[bobbinbop20]

I think the newer B&M hyper trains are awesome. They give so much more freedom and despite what people think they do give better airtime

The older trains are better in the back, but the newer ones are better in the front, most people don't realize that so when they ride in the back and it sucks then they think the whole train sucks

[nitrofan]

I think the newer B&M hyper trains are awesome. They give so much more freedom and despite what people think they do give better airtime

The older trains are better in the back, but the newer ones are better in the front, most people don't realize that so when they ride in the back and it sucks then they think the whole train sucks

I rode Intimidator in a great Variety of places throughout my 14 rides, and while the front was the best, I couldn't find any seat that was as good as the other B&M Hypers I have been on.

[bobbinbop20]

I rode Intimidator in a great Variety of places throughout my 14 rides, and while the front was the best, I couldn't find any seat that was as good as the other B&M Hypers I have been on.

Well then Goliath is just a better ride.

Diamondback and Behemoth are much better then say Nitro

[palmer]

while the front was the best.

Well, the newer trains provide a better ride towards the front, as the 1st generation trains are much better towards the back.

[nitrofan]

Well, the newer trains provide a better ride towards the front, as the 1st generation trains are much better towards the back.

But back on the older trains was signifigantly better than front on the new trains.

[Jp]

I heard through lots of other people that an announement supposedly taking place this week!!

[SFNE Expert]

September 8.

[Jp]

Why the 8th?

[SFNE Expert]

Thats the day they are making the announcement. They are doing it the same as last week. Corresponding with the blog post. Also someone else posted it but I forget where.

[SFNE Expert]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsn4Mny9RkE

I think they are getting that. Its towering and in a way its launching.

[Changsucks]

Why do they keep delaying the announcement?? This is so odd.

[SFNE Expert]

I'm thinking they're 1) still working out liscencing for something which is why SFNE's theme wasn't announced or 2) working on getting all the flats for GAdv and possibly MM :)

[bobbinbop20]

I still don't understand why they would build this towering new attraction and keep it in the park for only one year, whats the point in that?

[SFNE Expert]

They are in debt. Shapiro had great ideas planned for 2011 I bet and they all had to be delayed. We all know new management was in a big scramble to find last minute plans for new stuff. They could just be leasing it for a year. We know its most likely replacing they're swings and the swings are going to GAdv. Then in 2012 a coaster is replacing Tidal Wave and the spot where the swings were is my bet.

[nitrofan]

They are in debt. Shapiro had great ideas planned for 2011 I bet and they all had to be delayed. We all know new management was in a big scramble to find last minute plans for new stuff. They could just be leasing it for a year. We know its most likely replacing they're swings and the swings are going to GAdv. Then in 2012 a coaster is replacing Tidal Wave and the spot where the swings were is my bet.

How do we "know" that? Just out of curiosity...

[SFNE Expert]

The Dippin' Dots guy told me.

Lol, no seriously just a collection of rumors.

[Changsucks]

^Is all your info just a collection of rumors? Seriously, most of the stuff you say relating to Six Flags I haven't heard anywhere. You make it sound very convincing haha, I just wonder how much is actually reliable.

[SFNE Expert]

^Its a mix of stuff. Mostly a collection of rumors. I really don't know how reliable it will be until its announced.

I'll break down that post:
-Management in a scramble, got that from Screamscape and I knew that anyways from SFNE and things SFStL were posting on Facebook

-Replacing the swings at GAdv, this ones a two parter on SFStL.net they're sources knew that when they were getting they're big Shapiro coaster that Tidal Wave and the swings would be gone. Coasterfusion reported that GAdv would be getting they're swings back. Perfect fit.

So like I said, most stuff is rumors and just a little bit I know for fact. But none of this stuff I know for a fact. When I say know for a fact I mean it, lol.

Most of the SFNE stuff is true. Its coming from what management has said at different events at the park.

[nitrofan]

Aren't the swings at SFStL and SFGAdv completely different? That wouldn't be SFGAdv getting their swings back, that would be SFGAdv getting a different ride from SFStL.

[David]

Here's my prediction: Something taller than or equal to Mr. Freeze in height.

[SFNE Expert]

Aren't the swings at SFStL and SFGAdv completely different? That wouldn't be SFGAdv getting their swings back, that would be SFGAdv getting a different ride from SFStL.

The rumor was that they were just getting a form of a swing ride back, wasn't it?

[Jp]

The park posted this to a few comments asking why it hadn't been announced yet:

"Sorry guys.......It will be next week....had to make sure everything was lined up......W ewill let you know the day before that we are getting ready to announce.....hang tight !"

[SFNE Expert]

Probably because it was last minute and had to make sure everything in place. Which is why they kept saying they weren't sure if they were getting anything yet in the last week of August.

[nitrofan]

The rumor was that they were just getting a form of a swing ride back, wasn't it?

I don't know, I didn't hear the rumor. I think that SFStL's swings are pretty old though, it's hard for me to believe that they would move them.

[nitrofan]

I wonder if part of the 2011 expansion will include Mr. Six Dance Coaster. It would make perfect sense as SFStL dies not have a kiddie coaster.

[Changsucks]

^It's going to SFMM.

[Jp]

Six Flags St. Louis WILL be ANNOUNCING the new 2011 attraction TOMMOROW!

[David]

Calling it now. Dippin' Dots stand. This way we can now have a SFSTl leak! :)

[SFNE Expert]

Who was right?

http://www.sixflags.com/stLouis/rides/skyscreamer.aspx

[Shayne]

I find it interesting how Six flags went with Funtime for this attraction and Cedar Fair went with Mondial.

[Austin]

How will this be a temporary attraction though?

[SFNE Expert]

Theory:

They have a one year lease from Funtime. It is replacing the swings. Although the rep on Facebook says it is permanent, you can't take they're words. When they return it. They demolish Tidal Wave next year and build a coaster with the money it brought it.

GAm, St Louis, SFNE, and SFA all get the same coaster, but mirrored versions in 2012 in their shoot-the-chute spot.

[Truth Seeker]

43 mph I believe thats 13 mph than the Mondial models, how intriguing...

[David]

Six Flags will see when there is but a slight gust of wind, the ride will be down. ANY wind, and the ride cannot operate.

[DarienLake:D]

See when FunTime talked about the wind limit you have to wonder if they were talking about the speed of the wind on the ground or in the air.. Because basically the wind speed is higher as you go higher. So yeah basically any kind of wind will shut it down by the sounds of it..

[David]

What is with these "it's temporary" rumors. I can personally guarantee you that in 2012 on this date (beyond other circumstances) the ride will be operating.

[Austin]

Because they have temporary models of the StarFlyer. Some fair groups have them

[David]

The park confirmed it themselves. I think it's pretty clear they want to keep that. And it fits in perfectly at the park. Definitely a Shapiro addition.

And whoever did the title... It's not a Screamin' Swing...

[Truth Seeker]

Six Flags is not very reliable, at all.

[nitrofan]

Six Flags is not very reliable, at all.

How is this announcement unreliable?

I personally think this ride appears much more thrilling than the Mondial version Cedar Point is purchasing. Their version looks like you're just going in circles 300 feet in the air. This looks like it may actually be thrilling.

[Truth Seeker]

I speaking about Six Flags in general.

[Jp]

IMO, Six Flags should of also purchase more of this type of ride and gave it to parks like; The Great Escape and Six Flags America.

[nitrofan]

IMO, Six Flags should of also purchase more of this type of ride and gave it to parks like; The Great Escape and Six Flags America.

I agree. This ride would be perfect for both of those parks.

[SFNE Expert]

The park confirmed it themselves. I think it's pretty clear they want to keep that. And it fits in perfectly at the park. Definitely a Shapiro addition.

I've said it once, and I've said it before. The reps have to say what the GP want to hear.

As for it being a Shapiro addition. Thats about the stupidest thing I've ever heard you say. I thought its been clear that Shapiro was adding a coaster to every park.

Speculation but I know I'm right:

When Weber came in he canceled all the big ones right away. Then he got replacements for the ones he canceled. Water park expansion for GAm, Green Lantern, ect, ect. Some things he didn't get replacements for. Then he canceled everything else and the month of August was a scramble and some of late July probably. If you go back on the SF StL FB page they say they're still working out details with the company, in August they were posting that. So no, not a Shapiro addition. Texas Giant, DDD, Green Lantern but @ GAdv, and Superman Renovation are the only standing ones.

[DarienLake:D]

It never turns out good when they have to scramble to do that... So the rides they just announced (besides green lantern) Will probably look like they just set it down there...

[David]

Speculation but I know I'm right:

Oh. My. Goodness.

[Jp]

Construction Pictures Now POSTED on their Facebook Today!!
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z263/jpp858/skyscreamer1.jpg?t=1298087171
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z263/jpp858/skyscreamer2.jpg?t=1298087171
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z263/jpp858/skyscreamer3.jpg?t=1298087206
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z263/jpp858/skyscreamer4.jpg?t=1298087224

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=269710&id=9556621915&fbid=497414226915

[Truth Seeker]

Nice paint job!

[David]

The colors change as it goes up the tower, in an effort to use all the left over paint the parks have.

[DiveMachine]

As for it being a Shapiro addition. Thats about the stupidest thing I've ever heard you say. I thought its been clear that Shapiro was adding a coaster to every park.


Maybe Gadv was getting that giga ;)

But how do you know he was giving coasters all around? What kinds would they have been? THBS? or Major thrill coasters?

[SFNE Expert]

It was gigas for all!

[David]

Shapiro was working closely with Intamin and B&M to satisfy the young and old, I heard somepretty fricken amazing stuff about SFGAm's Green Lantern.

[DiveMachine]

Hey SFGam, you can have green lantern back, we'll just a giga :)

[David]

Actually, YOU personally didn't want a Giga, Shapiro took all your complaining of "we don't want a coaster, we want FLATS!" to mean that he could fill in the park with flats rather than spending tens of millions on a Giga. So, you screwed yourself! :P

But with Weber in, you probably weren't getting it anyways.

[DiveMachine]

alot of people I knew wanted a coaster, but in a war on lines type scenario(incase you don't know what that is, SF added 3 new coasters, a plethora of flats and a huge kiddie section to Gadv in '99)

But to get back on topic, are they actually going to stick that awful six flags logo on the top?

[DarienLake:D]

alot of people I knew wanted a coaster, but in a war on lines type scenario(incase you don't know what that is, SF added 3 new coasters, a plethora of flats and a huge kiddie section to Gadv in '99)

But to get back on topic, are they actually going to stick that awful six flags logo on the top?

That or either SkyScreamer

[David]

Nope, the globe will be on top. Since it's going to be the tallest attraction at the park, it makes perfect sense..

[nitrofan]

This was never really discussed for some reason, but Sky Screamer at SFStL opened a few weeks ago! I think it looks pretty good, and it's a perfect addition for this park.

Pictures can be found on the park's Facebook page:

http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/sixflagsstlouis?closeTheater=1

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/229700_10150163556041916_9556621915_7135883_766116 1_n.jpg

[Austin]

That does look pretty good. great job Six Flags on these rides.