Six Flags Great Adventure Discussion Thread

[nitrofan]

Now for those of you who don't read Screamscape, they posted a crazy rumor today that may be a hint at the demise of SFKK. They said that for the chain's 50th Anniversary, they will be giving "gifts" as in major coasters to some of the larger, key parks. Now that's all fine and great, but they said that Chang may be sent to Six Flags Great America!

[youthere]

CHANG!!!! :O They cant take that away....no one really rides it that much BUT ITS AWESOME!!!!

[Asa]

Obviously you didn't read the whole post from screamscape. It said chang could be removed for a water park expansion... It said nothing about the parkbclosibg... Lol

[Sfguy]

To me (someone from Jersey), Chang may be one of the few reasons for me to visit SFKK. Nothing else really appeals to me there, so removing it may be a bad decision..

[palmer]

This would kill SFKK's profits and people. Chang makes SFKK a thrilling park. Thunder Run and Greezed Lightinin' can hold the park up. If this happens, SFGAm needs to send Raging Bull or something in return.

[Austin]

they did mention the ride rotation program might start up again, so chang could be sent out and replaced with another coaster. or a couple of flats and a coaster

[nitrofan]

^I think the ride rotation program is a good program if they want to stay like the old Six Flags. If they want to be the new Six Flags who can produce rides themed to the extent of Terminator Salvation, the program won't work. I think the best thing to do in their situation is move a lot of rides around in the next few years and theme them very extensively. Most of the GP won't even notice, and the theming gives the enthusiasts who have ridden most coasters in the chain something new to look forward to.

I would support this decision only if we got something good in return. Oh yeah, and WATER SLIDES DON'T COUNT!

[Austin]

Yea. Maybe a chain wide reorganization of rides to best fit each parks potential.

[palmer]

Rumor Mill of coasters: Chang on the Market.

possible trade(s):
Chang & Breakdance for Raging Bull
Chang for Plenty of flats.
Chang & Enterprise for Batman:The Ride and flat(s)

[nitrofan]

^I doubt we would get Batman: The Ride, and Raging Bull is over the heigth restrictions. I think Screamscape hit it on the nail saying that the land would be used for water parks.

[Austin]

where chang is, the height restriction is between 150 and 200 feet.

[nitrofan]

^And Raging Bull is 202' high.

[palmer]

^Maybe dig a 50ft hole in the ground to make Raging Bull fit Requirement. LOL

Actually i can see Batman: The Ride going to SFKK. They don't have an inverted. They only B&M they have is Chang (which they might lose).

Batman is 80-90ft, which fits the requirement anywhere.

[nitrofan]

Actually i can see Batman: The Ride going to SFKK. They don't have an inverted. They only B&M they have is Chang (which they might lose).

Batman is 80-90ft, which fits the requirement anywhere.

I'm not saying it won't happen, but I just can't see SFGAm giving up the first Batman: The Ride clone, and that ride takes up such a long and narrow strip of land, it would be hard to find a good replacement. Batman most likely wouldn't be themed to the same extent it was at SFGAm if it was moved too.

Wow Austin, maybe this 500' Intamin Giga-Shuttle idea of your's isn't so far fetched after all. lol

[palmer]

True, true. Yet, you may have let some things go.

[palmer]

Hold Up. Nitrofan said Shaprio said that a Six flags park is getting a Terminator Clone. Well, this may be it. They may lose Chang to SFGAm, get a flat(s) or small family coaster, but recieve Terminator. Yeah, I know. They all ready have a wooden coaster, but many parks (i believe all Six Flags parks except SFGE,SFM and SFKK) have at least two wooden coasters.

Yet, other Six Flags parks not only could, but NEED a Terminator Clone.

That was a quick thought.

Question: If the Height Restriction is 150ft and Chang is 154ft, would that mean there is no restriction since there's already a coaster above it?

[nitrofan]

^DBru was making a point that the restriction can't be 150' if Chang is above it. I haven't seen any official info on SFKK's heigth restrictions, but im 99% sure that they have some restriction due to how incredibly close they are to an airport. Tiger was just making an educated guess, and DBru was just pointing out that it may be a little but off.

To add to your list of SFI parks with only 1 wooden coaster, SFFT and SFDK only have 1 wooden coaster too. I saw in an interview that Shapiro said another park would get a Terminator clone if it was sucessful at SFMM, which I'm pretty sure it was. I'm not sure exactly where the article was, but I can probably find it if you want it.

[palmer]

^Well, seems to be successful. Many blogs have said its great and fun. I would think that they would clone it.

[MadCard05]

Oooooooooooooh... shocking thought. What if Chang is all a farce, and it's Thunderrun that's being removed. And by moved, I mean torn down, and that Terminator or EK is taking it's spot. I could live with that.

[nitrofan]

Oooooooooooooh... shocking thought. What if Chang is all a farce, and it's Thunderrun that's being removed. And by moved, I mean torn down, and that Terminator or EK is taking it's spot. I could live with that.

That's along the lines of what I think should happen. Maybe we get a new show in 2010 so they can have all summer of 2010 to demo Twisted Twins and Mile High Falls, they can close Thunder Run on Labor Day and demo it then, and they have plenty of time to build a new GCI and make the water park as big as they want.

[palmer]

^Kind of a lot of work with destroying all those, one being a coaster. Plus, to build another one. Plus, they only close coasters that are being demo'd at the end of the year. That excludes SFMM and SFDK, which are open year round.

[cory]

I asked an employee about Chang's fate and he said it could leave, but he thought Chang was staying and. I asked why they wouldn't just use Northwest Territory, and he said that they would probably never use that side again, since it is just a dump He said there some plans, but he had to keep them secret. He also said never listen to Screamscape because they make stuff up alot of times.

I wonder what the secret was.

[rcfreak339]

^Don't trust park employees. They have absolutely no idea about whats coming next year or 3 years in the future. Six Flags keeps things secret until they are announced. So in simple terms Don't trust the Dippin Dots guy or the Chang operator. They don't know anything.

[nitrofan]

A lot of times, upper level park employees don't even know until they are close to announcing it. It's all decided by corporate, and park management has very little to do with those decisions.

[palmer]

Employees aren't even told some of the things that can happen. Well, except Disney, because it's the "Happiest Place in the World" and they want to make some employees happy.

[razor12]

This rumor better not be true. Six Flags Kentucky Kingdom isn't my home park or my favorite so I have no biased views against/for it.

First off, if any park needed a stand-up it should go to Six Flags Great Adventure. Yes, they have a huge selection of coasters already, but Chang would fit in very well there.

Second, I hate this stupid ride rotation program. Yes, Disney can pull it off because they are destinaton parks and nothing can really "harm" their attendance. Six Flags parks are very different (they are regional). Chang keeps SFKK alive.

Third, removing the park's signature attraction is not a good sign. This could mean either the park could be sold off the chain or it will turn into a huge waterpark.

I hope this stupid rumor isn't true because this would be a HUGE mistake on Six Flags corporate. Six Flags has been doing great, givin their debt state, and they shouldn't pull this move.

[palmer]

First off, if any park needed a stand-up it should go to Six Flags Great Adventure. Yes, they have a huge selection of coasters already, but Chang would fit in very well there.
They had a Stand-up, and it failed majorly. They don't want it again and face the same problems.

Second, I hate this stupid ride rotation program. Yes, Disney can pull it off because they are destinaton parks and nothing can really "harm" their attendance. Six Flags parks are very different (they are regional). Chang keeps SFKK alive.
Well, if they lose Chang, they know the park would be helpless. This rotation would help SFKK alot.

Third, removing the park's signature attraction is not a good sign. This could mean either the park could be sold off the chain or it will turn into a huge waterpark.
They might get other rides that can equal up to Chang's rep.

I hope this stupid rumor isn't true because this would be a HUGE mistake on Six Flags corporate. Six Flags has been doing great, givin their debt state, and they shouldn't pull this move.
Well, it isn't quite ruining their pockets because it inter chain, not to a different, non-chained park.

[nitrofan]

I hate this stupid ride rotation program. Yes, Disney can pull it off because they are destinaton parks and nothing can really "harm" their attendance. Six Flags parks are very different (they are regional). Chang keeps SFKK alive.

I think the ride rotation program is a very good program for Six Flags as long as they do equal trades. If they traded Chang for Bizarro at SFGAdv, I would think it was a very good decision, but if they traded Chang for Thomas Town or a water park, I wouldn't like the trade.

[razor12]

I think the ride rotation program is a very good program for Six Flags as long as they do equal trades. If they traded Chang for Bizarro at SFGAdv, I would think it was a very good decision, but if they traded Chang for Thomas Town or a water park, I would be mad.

SFKK would probably get a water park expansion over anything else. Moving the park's signature attraction is not a good sign for the future of the park.

[palmer]

^Yet SFKK might get a better ride in return. cough cough Raging Bull cough cough.

[nitrofan]

^Yet SFKK might get a better ride in return. cough cough Raging Bull cough cough.

Raging Bull would only be a better ride if they turn the trims off. Also, I don't see SFGAm giving up their hypercoaster (SFGAm's signature coaster) for a second stand-up coaster.

[palmer]

Raging Bull would only be a better ride if they turn the trims off. Also, I don't see SFGAm giving up their hypercoaster (SFGAm's signature coaster) for a second stand-up coaster.

Rumor has it, Iron Wolf is going down, so it's a replacement for it. Therefore, Chang will become there star attraction.

[tillentprs]

I live near Great America and have been going there since 1977. While I like Chang (it's the only stand-up coaster I like), if it's all the same to you, I'd rather have Greezed Lightnin' (our old Tidal Wave coaster) back again instead! I grew up riding that one and miss it at our park!

[Austin]

Lol yea. Is there any character in DC Comics that flies?

[nitrofan]

Lol yea. Is there any character in DC Comics that flies?

Umm, Superman. You could argue that Batman flies too.

[palmer]

Lol yea. Is there any character in DC Comics that flies?

Green Lantern flies. Wait...jps had the Green Lantern idea. O boy.

[nitrofan]

Well there has been an update on this rumor. The latest RUMOR is that the plans are still alive, and if it happens, SFGAm will run Chang and Iron Wolf and Iron Wolf will be removed at the end of 2011, wich leaves a nice space for 2012 expansion. ;)

Now the good news in all of this is that SFKK has a contract with the city of Louisville to spend a certain amount each year on capitol expansion for SFKK, and removing Chang would put them well into the negatives. If that happened, we would probably end up getting a GCI to replace it, or a REALLY nice water park expansion.

Still, I think this would be a very odd on SFI's part, and no water park expansion will ever make up for the loss of the park's signature attraction IMO.

[chrispy]

Where did you hear that SFKK has a contract with the city of louisville? I've never heard that.

[Austin]

Yea me either. Chang will stay. They need to have the project approved by the metro louisville govt. and i seriously doubt they would approve it unless a major new ride replaces it. so ultimately this will be undone by my cities govt. hopefully

[elvisboogens]

The other side of that is the employment problem. The new arena downtown was a big deal more for the jobs it created for the unemployed than anything. The same could be said for construction in the park, where jobs for people with families that need healthcare need something to do for 40-60 hours a week to get paid for. Abramson would consider creating jobs over improving a park that to him could be worked on later when the local economy is back on track. I don't think he cares about Chang or anything else in the park.

[Austin]

As long as its there, its a big reason people come to the park since people swear up and down its the best stand up ever. So if they tell metro louisville they want to move it and not give a option to replace it, htne i got a feeling it will be rejected.

[elvisboogens]

You could be onto something, assuming local government officials like rollercoasters.

[Austin]

True. lol. I still find screamscapes report on that tho. Just seems so far fetched.

But chang is like a tourist attraction, i mean if it wasnt there i doubt TPR and these other sites would bother stopping for it.

[gl2007]

all i'm going to say is keep an eye on chang over the next couple of weeks

[elvisboogens]

all i'm going to say is keep an eye on chang over the next couple of weeks

Do you work at the park?

[gl2007]

I’m simply a good Samaritan.

[say hi]

Whatever happens with Chang, we all know its going to be fun to watch. Or at least, I know that much. A new wooden coaster would be awesome...although I'd say it'll be for water park expansion...that makes too much sense.

[elvisboogens]

I'll definitely be taking pictures/video of as much of the process of removal as I can, if they raze it.

[palmer]

Well, as Nitrofan said its RUMOR. It is not over until it's over (famous Yogi Berra quote). Chang can still be there and it might not go anywhere.

[palmer]

Well, i don't believe it but Screamscape has reported this rumor about Chang:
(9/17/09) While I haven’t been able to confirm anything yet, many do believe that this coming weekend will be your last chance to ride Chang before they remove it. So if you want to take one final spin and have nothing else going on, you’ve been warned.

Why now? It doesn't take 2 years to take down a coaster, ship and build it.

[nitrofan]

Woah, that was completely unexpected. As much as I would like to think that this is just another crazy rumor, Screamscape has been right on several things that sounded crazy this summer, most notably being BBW's removal.

Yes I recognize that that this is just a rumor, but it's really interesting that they have been right about so many other things. I really don't understand why they would close it this weekend though. It makes no sense.

I say this deserves a poll!

[palmer]

I think they can, but it would be better two years from now with the 50th anniverary coming up.

[elvisboogens]

How do we know this isn't some clever marketing thing to boost sales? This coming weekend's possible closure aside, all this closing of Chang business could've been created to generate buzz for frightfest.

[say hi]

One thought, its sort of odd that SFKK isn't gung ho on denying this rumor via facebook. If anyone remembers the Northwest territory speculation from over the summer park PR was all about claiming every thing screamscape was saying was false even if those pics from st louis said otherwise. For this rumor all we have is silence which makes the chang turmoil and speculation keep going in favor of the removal of the coaster.

[razor12]

I am hoping this is a rumor. This is about the same as taking Kingda Ka from SFGAdv and putting it at SFA. Taking the star attraction that draws people to the park is not a smart idea. They might as well close SFKK and make it just a waterpark if they are going to take out Chang.

[Austin]

It was a good park without chang.

[elvisboogens]

It was a good park without chang.

I completely agree. None of my fondest memories of being in SFKK involve Chang at all.

Actually my fondest memories of the park involve the Vampire and Starchaser, neither of which are in the park anymore anyways.

[Austin]

Ye. I never got chance to ride those either. My best memories were when the batman show was there, quake was there and people actually rode rides not the water rides.

[palmer]

It was a good park without chang.

I agree, but it would be great if they get another ride in return if this "gift" is given. Coaster would nice, but highly doubt Ragin' Bull would go anywhere. B:TR can, but probably won't move. Whizzer and Demon are too old and if they would go down, they would go down forever. Iron Wolf is possible done for good. Yet it could also be retired.

So that leaves the wooden coasters (which would be harder to take down and rebuild) and some family coasters.

Maybe they'll get a new coaster. Maybe an Inverted (which i would personally see SFKK getting) or Flyer.

[elvisboogens]

All it really would take is one unique coaster that isn't at Holiday World or King's Island. If they could pulll that off correctly, it would not only make up for Chang's absence, but it could save the park.

[Austin]

maybe. how about the big air from vekoma? they look pretty cool and stay within the restriction.

[sccard01]

It do makes since for Chang to close at the before the end of the 2009 season... just think a little, Six Flags may want to dismantle this coaster before the cold weather comes around.

If they remove this coaster im going to take this seriously because I've pickd the colors of chang in 2006:confused:

Its also stupid to me to exspand the waterpark were the highest height limit of 200feet is located

[Austin]

Yea i dont like the expansion either. Petition anyone?


But maybe they can fill the space left with rides like big air from vekoma, which is a halfpipe coaster, and a thbs?


They will probably expand the waterpark into the northwest section since its got MHF and access to BR on that end, makes sense to me

[elvisboogens]

It do makes since for Chang to close at the before the end of the 2009 season... just think a little, Six Flags may want to dismantle this coaster before the cold weather comes around.

I thought about that too, but it's going to be such an involved process that it will still take several months to dismantle. Pretty much no matter when they do it they're gonna face cold weather.

[gl2007]

I wouldn't mind Chang leaving if they gave us another BM. I know it's not going to happen, but I would love to see a Hydra clone from Dorney come. It would be perfect for the park.

[gl2007]

You are right. Sunday is the last day :(. Change's death has been marked for a while now.

[palmer]

Chang's Replacement: B&M Invented

[elvisboogens]

All this stuff is just crazy. I don't know what else to say.

[DBru]

This is a terrible shame. And IMO, a terrible move for SF.

I especially can't get over the fact that the park has issued NO WARNING for Chang's removal at all. I understand that they don't want people to turn away from FrightFest because of the park's star attraction being closed, but how do they expect people to react when they reach the park and find their main reason for visiting closed/being dismantled? What about loyal customers like me who have been buying passes, food, and merchandise from the park for a decade now, and can't make it to ride the coaster one last time because they didn't have the chance to arrange plans? The whole situation just flat-out...sucks.

Also, why was my last post in this thread removed? There was nothing I wrote that others shouldn't have been allowed to see.

[palmer]

That's say, well find out on Sunday.

[elvisboogens]

This is a terrible shame. And IMO, a terrible move for SF
I especially can't get over the fact that the park has issued NO WARNING for Chang's removal at all. I understand that they don't want people to turn away from FrightFest because of the park's star attraction being closed

That's what I was thinking. They haven't confirmed or denied any of this offically because they want people to show up for fright fest.

[Austin]

Yeah. Another thing i noticed, they just put a chang pic up on the sfkk site. Pretty random becuase its advertising for you to ride it. Kinda odd dont you think? Its sorta like hey im the only ride here so come ride me! It could be a way for getting people to come ride it while they can since they havent said anything officially. But it just randomly pops up a few weeks ago, so we know somethings up.

[elvisboogens]

And this is going to be the worst farewell weekend for Chang. It's supposed to thunderstorm all weekend. What a drag.

[palmer]

Horrible. Maybe they can push it back so people can ACTUALLY ride it before it leaves and not close on the day of a thunderstorm.

[elvisboogens]

Chang is not the main reason people go by the way. Everytime i go the line is pretty short, like 10 minutes long. They come for the waterpark and other rides, and chang is just in a bad location to begin with. It was very very very profitable without chang and it will stay profitable without it.
Chang has never been the main reason I've gone to the park. Ever. And a lot of people I know (30 or older), including myself, find standing up on a roller coaster to be painful and gimmicky...and annoying. Also just about everybody I know that goes to the park goes either to ride Greezed Lightnin' or Thunder Run. I feel pretty comfortable agreeing that Chang is NOT the main non-water park ride there. Every time I go the line is incredibly short also. For that matter, I don't know many people that like T2 either.

I HOPE lots of people don't buy season passes for next year once Chang is gone. It's appealing to me to get off work and hop over to the park to marathon Thunder Run without having to wait to do it.

[nitrofan]

Chang is not the main reason people go by the way. Everytime i go the line is pretty short, like 10 minutes long. They come for the waterpark and other rides, and chang is just in a bad location to begin with. It was very very very profitable without chang and it will stay profitable without it.

It may not be the main reason people go, but it is one of the main draws to the park. Six Flags already has a bad reputation for families, and now they are on track to start turning teens away from the park.

And when you say Chang is less popular than things like water rides based on the lines, think about the difference in capacity. Chang pops out 32 people about every 3 minutes, and a water slide will pop out less than 10 in that time period.

[elvisboogens]

It takes a LOT longer than 3 minutes for a ride on Chang. With the loading and unloading, accomodating the people with the flash passes, a complete cycle takes 7 minutesor more, easily.

[nitrofan]

It takes a LOT longer than 3 minutes for a ride on Chang. With the loading and unloading, accomodating the people with the flash passes, a complete cycle takes 7 minutesor more, easily.

With 1 train operation.

[elvisboogens]

Right. With one train operation. Exactly the problem.

I've been to SFKK 5 times since the beginning of August. There was a Vintage car show at the fairgrounds the first time, and that was the only day I went when 2 trains were running. Every other time, including once during the state fair, there was only one train running.
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Speaking of the fair, I read someplace else that Chang is a big draw during the fair. But it isn't. When I stoppped by Chang at around 6 pm, when the fair was the most crowded it had been all day, there was no line for Chang. This is partly because of the Taylor Swift concert, but mainly because ride tickets during the fair are 1.25 a piece, and it was 5 tickets to ride Chang. Thats 6.25 a ride. It costs about 2 dollars less for a beer, which is the final reason why nobody rides Chang during the fair.

[palmer]

Timeline:
End of 2009: Chang is tooken down.
Offseason 2009: Land cleared out, mutliple flats added.
Spring of 2010: Flats are in action, crowd is pleased a bit.
Fall of 2010: A) Flats moved/removed B) Extra land cleared C) Both happened
Offseason 2010: Construction on B&M Inverted
Spring 2011: Celebration of 50 years. Inverted ride is amazing great.

[elvisboogens]

I just got back from the park. I got there when it opened at 11 and managed 1 ride in each corner and 1 in the middle on Chang before 12. They were running 2 trains today, but there was barely a wait, so everything moved swiftly. At one point there was me and another guy on it and that was it. I've never seen that happen. I could have ridden it all day if I wanted, but I physically couldn't take more than 5 rides (as stated before, it's uncomfortable and hurts my legs).

I rode a few other things also, including the Deluge; which is technically part of the water park, but they opened one of the gates by T2 to let people cut through without entering Spalshwater kingdom.

After that I grabbed my camera and 200+/- photos of Chang, along with pictures of other stuff. I don't have time to post them right now, but when I get the chance I will.

If Chang really is closing after this weekend, apparently nobody got the memo. I didn't hear anybody mention it, and didn't see any marathon riders, though I'm sure some were there.

[Austin]

Wow palmer.

Yea thats why i dont see how removing chang would hurt the attendance if no one really rides it. and the park should be packed since its the weekend and SFKK can only operate on the weekend during JCPS's school year

[palmer]

^I know, it's a bit too early to say that.

[gl2007]

Today is going to be a long day :(.

[nitrofan]

Well I guess all if this will either be confirmed or denied next weekend.

[elvisboogens]

I posted the pictures I took of Chang that have people on or around it. I should have taken pictures of the lines for T2 to compare it to, but I didn't, sadly. In the pictures I posted you can clearly see how big a draw Chang is to the park.

I'll post the other pics I took later, when I have more time to do it.

[Austin]

Thanks. I can see they are already preparing to start minor removal work with chang with the bucket lifts they have sitting there. Which arent usually there.

And as you can clearly see it was pretty much a ghost town.

[elvisboogens]

A lot of people may have stayed home from the park to watch the game also, but there was still a decent turnout.

[Vic]

The park wasn't exactly very crowded yeasterday... Louisville Vs Kentucky, a saturday in september.. Louisville Vs Kentucky!! Only around 2,000 people yesterday.... plus Chang was running 2 trains all day long..

[palmer]

Youve only been to KK once. Everyone goes on a saturday in the fall. sunday, you have church, football etc. saturday is a free day for everyone. It doesnt matter if they went int eh summer. the park usually has a good amount of people each day its opened during hte school year, without FF.

That's why i'm planning to go to parks on Sundays.

[palmer]

I wonder how Kentucky football involves with Chang's discussion [sarcasm]

[Vic]

I wonder how Kentucky football involves with Chang's discussion [sarcasm]

Just discussing why the crowd was low :D

[palmer]

Ok, but lets get to the discussion of Chang dying and being reborn at SFGAm

[rcfreak339]

http://www.wlky.com/news/21043204/detail.html#

Chang is commmmming down.

[palmer]

RIP Chang of SFKK. Welcome New Chang of [place not confirmed] to the world!

[nitrofan]

Thank You, that is exactly what I have been looking for!

It's Confirmed...

[Jp]

Thats sad.:(

[MadCard05]

Glad they've announced both Chang being gone, and the water park expansion.

[nitrofan]

It looks like they decided to repaint it before they dismantle it. It seems like it would be easier to paint it once it is on the ground.

I'm glad that they finally confirmed this, but I wish they gave people a little time to get last rides in. A lot of people are going to be upset about this.

[Jp]

Do they have to have permission to post this. If they do annoucement is really close from the park.

[Austin]

Yea its from the park. Obviosuly people would be asking SF why chang ias half buiilt in the middle of Fright Fest if they hadnt confirmed it.

[palmer]

It looks like they decided to repaint it before they dismantle it. It seems like it would be easier to paint it once it is on the ground.

I'm glad that they finally confirmed this, but I wish they gave people a little time to get last rides in. A lot of people are going to be upset about this.

This has got transformation written all over it.

[Jp]

^^I meant like the offical one that on the main park site!;)

[Austin]

They painted chang back in 2006.

[nitrofan]

This has got transformation written all over it.

They're painting it yellow and purple again, so I doubt it.

[Sfguy]

RIP Chang.

[palmer]

They're painting it yellow and purple again, so I doubt it.

Why would they paint into twice in a matter of 11 years? It doesn't look like it needs a paint coat. I think they should re-color it.

[nitrofan]

Why would they paint into twice in a matter of 11 years? It doesn't look like it needs a paint coat. I think they should re-color it.

Go look at the picture in the article. You can see how ridiculously faded it is compared to the freshly painted spots.

[MadCard05]

They painted chang back in 2006.

The purple is still there though where the Bamboo grew up over one of the supports and it was never cut down for them to paint it. Also, one of the supports near the station was beginning to chip paint.

[Austin]

More cheap paint apparently

[Jp]

RCDB has now put Chang in the Defunct Roller Coasters section.

http://rcdb.com/275.htm

[palmer]

^Wow, in a matter of an hour, at least 200 posts are posted on our forums, RCDB puts Chang defunct, and the Colts and Dolphins each a field goal.

[Jp]

^No, because I email them the news and screamscape.

[elvisboogens]

I went over to the fairgrounds today and did some snooping. It's true, they have more equipment out for removal. I forgot my camera, and was going to go back for pictures tomorrow. But there's no point now.

What I want to know now, is this:

Why are they bothering with Chang without first addressing the big elephant in the room that is Twisted Twins?

You know, Six Flags doesn't want to talk to any of us. Kentucky Kingdom is a disaster. The whole situation makes me feel taken advantage of by higher ups and others, likes of which don't give a damn about people like us whom they should feel thankful for keeping their bills paid and kids fed.

[MadCard05]

I went over to the fairgrounds today and did some snooping. It's true, they have more equipment out for removal. I forgot my camera, and was going to go back for pictures tomorrow. But there's no point now.

What I want to know now, is this:

Why are they bothering with Chang without first addressing the big elephant in the room that is Twisted Twins?

You know, Six Flags doesn't want to talk to any of us. Kentucky Kingdom is a disaster. The whole situation makes me feel taken advantage of by higher ups and others, likes of which don't give a damn about people like us whom they should feel thankful for keeping their bills paid and kids fed.

I really don't think that's what it is. I really don't think there was ever a concrete plan on what to do with Northwest Territory. Mile High was broken, Twisted I think needed to be retracked, and Zepplin doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. Take into account that the number of guests visiting that section was on the decline, and something had to be done to revitalize that section of the park. So they close it down, and try to draw up plans, then the economy collapses, and bankruptcy becomes unavoidable.

I actually suspect that Northwest will get reopened for the 2011 50th anniversary of Six Flags. I just don't think they know what to do with it right now, they have this big water park expansion looming apparently, and there is just no room to reopen Northwest during all of this.

[Austin]

MHF and zepplins sure, TT no. In their state i wouldnt touch it with a 10 ft pole

[MadCard05]

MHF and zepplins sure, TT no. In their state i wouldnt touch it with a 10 ft pole

I really don't think Twisted is in such bad shape. The best thing about TT is that it's really a steal coaster with wood under the actual track. It would be easy to rehab IMO.

[elvisboogens]

That all makes sense. I don't fault anybody for things they can't control, like the economy. It's just been handled unprofessionally.

I'm third in command in the business I work for. When something happens in my business, and in most businesses, our customers are notified if it regards how they spend their money with us. It's good business and shows that as a business, we respect our customers enough to tell them the truth. It may lose us a few dollars, but as a result we have a very strong customer base and rapport.

Any good business works this way. You don't need a degree to know how to treat people. This is basic golden rule type stuff.

That's how I feel about the park in general at the moment.

I don't care about the decision to move Chang, or lack of decision/money regarding the Northwest territory. But take Facebook (just as an example): Major things that need to be said about the state of the park are being avoided to say things like "Hey, it's a great day to come to the park!" or, 2010 passes will get you Papa John's pizza!"

Enough. Back to being sad about Chang. It'll probably be on the news tonight.

[MadCard05]

I completely understand that. I think announcing this whole thing was handled poorly.

[DBru]

Very disappointing.

But if you all will look closely at that picture, you will see that they aren't repainting Chang. That is an old picture from the 2006 repaint. (From faded yellow/green and purple to vibrant yellow and blue...they hadn't started on the supports when that photo was taken.)

[jonrev]

Well now I'm starting to believe it may be bound for Chicago, especially after seeing this Photoshop rendering of if it came to SFGAm. It would actually fit if they moved it further north into the parking lot; that way they keep Pictorium. THEN Hurricane Harbor still has room to expand.
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj259/WIS_B_ZO/chang2.jpg

If I see any yellow track around here I'll report it here and at the Zone.

[rcfreak339]

It looks like they decided to repaint it before they dismantle it. It seems like it would be easier to paint it once it is on the ground.

I'm glad that they finally confirmed this, but I wish they gave people a little time to get last rides in. A lot of people are going to be upset about this.

That picture is from 2007, when Chang was getting a overhaul....Notice the lime green and purple supports in the background.

[BobBernat]

What if they just put it in storage somewhere? Is that a possibility? Maybe use it for a rainy day... or just keep it on hand for a project later?

[Austin]

Possible but Its in good condition and many parks could use it. It could be used as a gift for the 50th anniversary celebration. B&M take it, look over fix and re-paint it and then send it out to the park for storage and then rebuild it for 2011.

But with the length of the off-season B&M has plenty of time to do what it has to do and then get it to its new home and have it built and running by the start of 2010.

[elvisboogens]

Pffft. Good luck with that big totally rad waterpark in space, Six Flags.

[elvisboogens]

Are we still talking about Chang?

[elvisboogens]

I got some pictures just a minute ago of the Chang trains on trucks ready to be moved. I also got some pictures of lumber, cranes, etc. I happened to catch the license plate on the truck with the trains on it. It wasn't a Missouri plate, not that it means anything. Should I put up the pictures? (I wasn't trespassing).

[Seger]

Heck yes. Hell, even if you were trespassing, I'd put them up. I got some pictures earlier with my phone... they're not clear or anything.

[nitrofan]

If you were on public property and were not breaking any rules, then you may post them. If you are not sure if you may post it, PM it to me and I will let you know.

DO NOT POST PICTURES TAKEN ILLEGALLY UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES! Don't assume that you are anonymous on this site.

[elvisboogens]

They were not taken illegally. I'm a photographer. I know what I can/can't and should/shouldn't do with my camera. I have to. I just don't want to have to put up a disclaimer every time I post pictures like I had to do a few times earlier because it looked like I'd been trespassing when really I was taking pictures over the tops of fences.

If I illegally take pictures at some point, of anything, the last place they're gonna go is on the internet.

[nitrofan]

^Then in that case, please post them! I would love to see them.

Sorry about giving you the interrogation every time on if the photos are legal, but you wouldn't believe how many illegal photos I see posted on sites.

[elvisboogens]

No, I would completely believe you. People don't realize the kind of trouble they can get into. I had to learn the do's and dont's.

I just figured it was time that I put up a personal disclaimer to put everybody's mind at ease. It came out kinda cranky sounding though, sorry about that.

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Okay, I put the pics with my other ones. A lot of them didn't turn out great, but I only took about 15 anyways. I had my stepdaughter with me so I didn't have much time.
I put the relevant ones up though. Eventually I'll put the rest of the pictures up of Chang while it was still open on saturday also.

Is there a better way to post pics? The way I do it now seems to take a lot of work and time, but I'm no computer genius.

[palmer]

They were not taken illegally. I'm a photographer.

Take sounds legit. :) You have LEGAL (not saying you took illegal pictures, but making sure you don't run into any troubles) pictures of other parks/rides at all?

[nitrofan]

^Send me a PM explaining how you did it, and I'll let you know if there is a better way.

Those were pretty interesting. Thanks for posting!

The lumber is probably just for general construction things, like using it to make things like the bucket lifts level, it was probably the same wood used to support the trains on the trailer, and it will probably be used to keep some of the curved track balanced and braced once it is on the trailer to be shipped.

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Had any track been removed yet when you were there?

[elvisboogens]

Take sounds legit. :) You have LEGAL (not saying you took illegal pictures, but making sure you don't run into any troubles) pictures of other parks/rides at all?

Not yet. I will, though. I'm thinking of taking pictures if I can make it to KI this weekend though. Normally I'm too busy wasting time in stupid lines, and by the time I'm ready to snap pics, it's time to go.

Is there something you think I should snap specifically? I'll do what I can.

[palmer]

Well, if Son Of Beast is being removed, you can take pictures of that in memory, or just in case.

If you go to SFGAdv (my "hometown" park), if can guess all the pictures (well most of them if they are noticable).

Plus, you can put them on your Trip Reports

[nitrofan]

Alright, let's get back to Chang.

[Seger]

Elvis, you got some good pics... the ones I took were from the hotel parking lots, so I was no where as close as you were.

[Austin]

They are taking the track, motor etc out to B&M. Thats like B&M's thing. Take a coaster down thats theirs that will be rebuilt, they like to make sure its all fixed and working right.

[palmer]

^Well they want the coaster to look "new" and operate "new". Just to get people to think that Chang wasn't from a different park.

[Austin]

Yea i know. Its also because they make very high quality coasters and they want to keep them that way lol.

[elvisboogens]

Elvis, you got some good pics... the ones I took were from the hotel parking lots, so I was no where as close as you were.

Thanks. Anybody could have taken those really, the fairgrounds and all the parking lots inside were open.

[Seger]

Any good pictures/news from today? I wasn't in town to see...

[elvisboogens]

I dunno, I didn't go over there. It was nasty and rainy all day.

[i_love_me09]

its actually refreshing to see people so calm. ive been arguing with people about this chang thing for a week or more. some people just cant seem to accept it

[elvisboogens]

Why argue with people? Arguing never helped anything, especially a rollercoaster.

[elvisboogens]

If anyone is interested, I went to the park for a minute today and took more pictures of the removal. Doesn't look like they've gotten to do much other than beat up on the concrete a little.

[nitrofan]

If anyone is interested, I went to the park for a minute today and took more pictures of the removal. Doesn't look like they've gotten to do much other than beat up on the concrete a little.

Thanks for the pictures. Did you hear any people at the park complaining about Chang?

[Jp]

Yea the photos were great. Can't wait to see more!:D

[nitrofan]

Well on SFKK's Official Site, all pictures and mentions of Chang have been removed except for its ride page where it says that Chang is closed.

[elvisboogens]

They must have just changed the webpage sometime in the last 24 hours, because I was on there yesterday and Chang was still there like it was open.

I didn't hear anybody talking about Chang yesterday. Most of the people were on the other side of the park, because it was Muslim family day. Family being the reason they were on the other side of the park. Mostly it was empty.

[Austin]

Lol Thats probably why no one went.

[nitrofan]

http://www.opaquelucidity.com/facepalm.jpg

[elvisboogens]

I finally put up the Chang pictures from last weekend. They'll be great for memories come November 8th.

[SFNE Expert]

http://newsplusnotes.blogspot.com/2009/09/six-flags-blogger-call-ii.html

IN there it says Chang goes to a new park in 2011, new name, new theme, new colors.

Probably fire and everything the Bizarro's got.

[palmer]

^The Bizarro thing is probably what's happening. Even though two rides have it and they have little problems here and there (short fire, bad audio/loud audio, mist sheilds not working). Superman: Kryton Coaster is supossibly getting "Bizarro'd" and Chanh would add on to that if it is true. I kinda don't think that Chang suits Bizarro transformation.

[elvisboogens]

Interesting read. Makes me excited for every Six Flags park except for the one 5 minutes up the road from my house.

[nitrofan]

I REALLY hope SFA gets Chang.

[Jp]

Wherever it goes I don't think it would be a Bizzaro. I think it will be a Green Lantern ride with the new movie coming out in 2011...

[palmer]

^That would be cool.

[Jp]

More about this movie!!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1133985/

[dragonqueengirl]

that would be cool

[SFNE Expert]

I wasn't saying it was going to be Bizarro but saying it would get the transformation. I don't think people would want this become a Bizarro after the flop with Medusa/Bizarro. None of the effects work on that one. But at SFNE all the effects are working. If anything, it will be Green Lantern, like you guys are saying. It fits since the movie is coming out in 2011.

[palmer]

^No the effects work (trust me, i have rode it almost 10 times this year) just sometimes, the flame would be shorter than Media Day, the auger (which is only on Bizarro @ SFGAdv (SFNE's Bizarro has the sheild at the first drop)) had minor problems with the mist sprayers, the sheild lights went out once and the audio had two different tracks, but it changed. The two tracks were Media Day and "edited" and had only quotes and not the storyline on the lift. Bizarro's effect are on and off, but the Green Lantern is better.

[Flags2009]

I don't think Chang is going to Chicago. It's probably going to a bigger park.

MOD EDIT: Please don't state things as confirmed unless it has been publicly confirmed by a reputable source. If you have any questions about that, please send me a PM.

-Nitrofan

[nitrofan]

I don't think Chang is going to Chicago. It's probably going to a bigger park.

Well that would leave SFGAdv and SFMM. I really don't think Six Flags would give SFMM a coaster nearly identical to Riddler's Revenge, so that possibility is eliminated.

Why do you think Chang is going to a park that is bigger than SFGAm?

[Austin]

The brake run is supposedly removed now.

[palmer]

Well that would leave SFGAdv and SFMM. I really don't think Six Flags would give SFMM a coaster nearly identical to Riddler's Revenge, so that possibility is eliminated.

Why do you think Chang is going to a park that is bigger than SFGAm?

SFMM will be completely out of this.

SFGAdv, they could use (i wouldn't mind it) but i don't see the room (unless the ruin Prospecttown Lake or expand and show Nitro's layout) or the idea of it. It just doesn't seem right there.

SFGAm, they would like. They'll get , if Iron Wolf is removed. I don't see running two B&M Stand-Ups in the same park, unless you are dueling.

Small parks can get it, but why would you take a big coaster from one smaller park and give it to a park smaller or equal sized. I don't see La Ronde, SFM, SFGE.

I don't see SFOG getting another Stand-Up, they have the Georgia Scorcher.

SFOT/SFFT might be a nice spot to land Chang. It's meduim sized. It gets the crowds they want and they (i believe) don't have a Stand-Up.

SFDK is also a possibly spot. SFNE is also a possible spot, but the have Batman (the non-clone) which is like a stand-up

[nitrofan]

^SFOT is not getting it. Shapiro said in an interview that the Texas Giant makeover would be the headline of the 50th Anniversary Event for SFOT.

You forget SFStL and SFA on your list, which I see the most likely parks to get it.

[SFNE Expert]

SFNE's Batman is a floorless.

SFDK can't because of the buffer zone.

SFOT is getting the remake of Texas Giant.

SFMM will not get it, same with probably SFGAdv. I hope it doesn't go to SFGrAm

I see it going to SFStL or SFA, maybe SFNE but there is no room.

[nitrofan]

It really should go to SFA. SFStL just got Evel Knevel and THBS. They don't need another coaster yet, and SFA hasn't gotten a coaster since 2001.

[KDCOASTERFAN]

I don't see it going to SFA (as much as I'd like to see it there) simply because SFI doesn't care about them anymore than they do SFKK.

[Austin]

True lol. SFA could use one but Their coaster list is pretty nice. not sure exactly how good they are though

[nitrofan]

True lol. SFA could use one but Their coaster list is pretty nice. not sure exactly how good they are though

Their coasters really aren't as good as they sound. They could really benefit from a B&M.

Mind Eraser hurts even more than T2, Roar is almost as rough as Texas Giant, Batwing is...a Vekoma. Superman is a decent coaster, but I don't understand why they gave it such a strange layout. The few air-time hills make up for it. Wild One is moderately rough woodie, and Joker's Jinx is the best ride there by far.

[elvisboogens]

It would be HILARIOUS if Chang ended up at the Six Flag park in Dubai. Just sayin'. They would do something like that.

[nitrofan]

It would be HILARIOUS if Chang ended up at the Six Flag park in Dubai. Just sayin'. They would do something like that.

That would be funny, but Six Flags isn't paying for the park in Dubai, so I doubt they would move a valuable coaster over there when they could get someone else to buy a brand new one for that park.

[palmer]

Wow, i didn't vote in this poll. How could this....did i get controlled by the virus?

[elvisboogens]

I didn't get to vote in the poll either, but it says I did.

[nitrofan]

Sorry guys, I screwed up the poll. It doesn't let you delete polls without deleting the thread, so I just edited the previous poll, but I didn't realize that you couldn't vote in this poll if you voted in the previous poll. I'm not sure what to do about this, but maybe the Head Slaughterer will be able to help me!

[elvisboogens]

I put up the Chang pics I took yesterday. They're in the album with the rest of em.

[elvisboogens]

Well on SFKK's Official Site, all pictures and mentions of Chang have been removed except for its ride page where it says that Chang is closed.

All the pictures and mentions of Chang are still on the site. It doesn't say anywhere that the ride is closed.

[nitrofan]

All the pictures and mentions of Chang are still on the site. It doesn't say anywhere that the ride is closed.

On the ride page it says Please Note that Chang is Closed.

Great pics of Chang's removal BTW!

[KDCOASTERFAN]

Where can the pics be found?

[Flags2009]

SFMM is NOT out of this.

[palmer]

^What makes you say that? They have Riddler's Revenge, which is basically the same thing.

[elvisboogens]

On the ride page it says Please Note that Chang is Closed.

Great pics of Chang's removal BTW!


I must have missed the please note. No big.

And thanks, I'm trying.

[nitrofan]

Where can the pics be found?

Next to one of Elvisboogen's posts, click on his unsername, then click view user profile. In his profile, you will see several albums on the right side of the screen. Open the one titled Chang Removal and it has a good collection of updates that he has provided over the past few weeks.

[elvisboogens]

The pictures are public, anybody should be able to see them.

[nitrofan]

I have heard rumors that the inclined loop has been removed, but I have not seen pictures yet.

[elvisboogens]

I'd go over there to check it out if I could, but am unable to do so today. Perhaps tomorrow.

[Austin]

Hmm.. I might be going past there on the danger run if the course we get takes us that way

[sccard01]

I was just thinking... maybe the thrill karts arent leaving at the end of 2010... maybe the park probably re-due the road on the thrill karts and make it smaller to make room? you know like for the tin Lizzie's when Greezed Lighting was added.

[Austin]

probably not. They suck already. Making them smaller just makes them suck more and the price would still be 20 dollars and in the way of valuable real estate for the waterpark.

[elvisboogens]

The Thrillkarts need to go. They're so incredibly awful. I'd almost be willing to start a "remove the thrill karts" petition.

I just realized that I insult the thrill karts all the time. If they weren't so stupid, I woudn't have to.

[Austin]

Lol exactly. I dont know how they even make the money to pay for the gas

[elvisboogens]

btw I've still not voted in the poll at the top of the page. Did it get fixed and I missed my chance? It looks like more people have voted.

[Vic]

Hmm a lot of the guest love Thrill Karts.. not sure where the hatred is coming from. Plus it's cheap...

[elvisboogens]

The fact that a lot of people enjoy the Thrill Karts doesn't mean that the Thrill Karts are therefore wonderful. A better kart experience can be found in several different places in the area or near it. Kart Kountry being the best example I can think of off the top of my head.

A lot of people like a lot of things. What should dictate whether or not something is actually good should be one's own experience with that which is in question, rather than the opinions of others. That goes double for my own opinions.

[nitrofan]

btw I've still not voted in the poll at the top of the page. Did it get fixed and I missed my chance? It looks like more people have voted.

The people who are voting in that poll are people who didn't vote in the poll about if you thought Chang would be removed. We're just going to have to deal with a screwed up poll. The forum system has a really weird way of doing polls, and the only way for me to get rid of it is to delete this thread. I can't edit it so that you can vote again either.

[elvisboogens]

I remembered you saying that earlier, just wasn't sure if maybe something changed and I missed it. No big deal.

[Vic]

The fact that a lot of people enjoy the Thrill Karts doesn't mean that the Thrill Karts are therefore wonderful. A better kart experience can be found in several different places in the area or near it. Kart Kountry being the best example I can think of off the top of my head.

A lot of people like a lot of things. What should dictate whether or not something is actually good should be one's own experience with that which is in question, rather than the opinions of others. That goes double for my own opinions.


Are you seriously comparing a track... at a place known for.. Go Karts to a track at a local amusement park??

Thrill Karts is extra revenue and it was put into have something else in the area of Chang... it serves its purpose and as i said a lot of people do like it. You may not like it and i guess Tiger doesn't either but all the kids do!

Ok back to the topic at hand (before nitrofan says so!).

[Austin]

This is the last thing on the thrill karts. Its 20 dollars. Its really not a great price for real. Ive barely seen anyone on it. Ive done it once and i thought it was good for a amusement park go-kart, but not the $20.

[nitrofan]

This is the last thing on the thrill karts. Its 20 dollars. Its really not a great price for real. Ive barely seen anyone on it. Ive done it once and i thought it was good for a amusement park go-kart, but not the $20.

Are you sure that's right? At most Six Flags parks, Go-Karts are $7 to drive and $5 to be a passenger. I believe SFKK's Skycoaster is $15 too.

[sccard01]

This is the last thing on the thrill karts. Its 20 dollars. Its really not a great price for real. Ive barely seen anyone on it. Ive done it once and i thought it was good for a amusement park go-kart, but not the $20.

The ThrillKartz isn't $20! and it never was!!!!

Where did you get that crazy B-S Frm anywayz ?

Its $6 for the driver and $3 for a passenger!

I ride this attraction all the time! and it isn't

lame! Well unless you don't ride this attraction

or you don't have many friends to race with!

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Are you sure that's right? At most Six Flags parks, Go-Karts are $7 to drive and $5 to be a passenger. I believe SFKK's Skycoaster is $15 too.

Your right, but Thrillkartz is $6 for the driver and $3 for the passenger,, and skycoaster is $15

[Austin]

I told you ive only ridden it once. And im pretty sure it was 20 dollars

[nitrofan]

Ok, it doesn't really matter. If there aren't very many people usually on it, then the point is made. I'll call the park and ask how much it is if it's that important.

This is Bonzai Beach discussion anyway, not Chang discussion.

[sccard01]

Actually many people still do get on this attraction... its basically on weekends and its the same way at any other park like Great America... Kings Island...Over Texas basically anywhere that has a go kart track trust me.

[elvisboogens]

I don't think there's any reason to call the park for anything. This has gotten ridiculous. Why do people need to argue about something this incredibly stupid? Some of us like it, some of us don't. Big deal. What does it matter how much they cost? If you like them, pay and ride and enjoy. The rest of us will do something else.

[nitrofan]

when was the last time you rode it?

Who are you asking?

[sccard01]

I told you ive only ridden it once. And im pretty sure it was 20 dollars

when was the last time you rode this attraction?
was it when sling shot was still standing?

[Vic]

for what it's worth.. they are only $3 right now :)

[Jp]

Talking about Trill Karts prices, I thought that this was a Chang Forum.:confused:

[palmer]

^Can't you read titles!?!?! It says "Economy of everything except Chang in SFFK Thread" LOL

[elvisboogens]

The Thrill Karts are practically Chang's shoes, duh.

[PKIDelirium]

Great photos, elvisboogens, but they're painful to look at. Chang was my favorite ride there when I went to SFKK in 2006. I'm hoping it ends up at Great America, or preferably St. Louis, as I'd really like to ride it again and those are the closest SF parks to me other than SFKK.

[elvisboogens]

Thanks. I plan to go over either today or tomorrow for more pics. From what I understand they got a lot of work done earlier this week, so I hope I haven't missed out on some great opportunities.

I work from 9-5 in Indiana, and also live in Indiana. In the past few weeks by the time I've been free to go get pics, it's been dark. When it's dark they've closed the access off in the past. Dark pics aren't so great of rollercoaster removal anyways.

Sooooo..........

[SFA Regular]

With me being a local of Six Flags America I am praying that we get this ride in 2011, but I do have my doubts. We are getting Thomas Land for 2010 and then in 2011, the chain celebrates their 50th anniversary. Here is how I broke it down. One, Six Flags America has not gotten a new coaster in 6 years and at the end of this year it will have been 7. Two, what in the world would Six Flags Great Adventure want with (Chang). They have like two other B&M rides that are so much better. Three, Six Flags America has been rumored to be on a chopping board for parks to be sold. I'm not sure if SFSL is rumored to be sold, but from what I have heard they are a pretty decent park. The reason why I don't think SFFT will get (Chang) is because they just got Batman:The Ride/Goliath from SFNO. So basically that increases the chances of SFA getting (Chang). I am sad to hear that SFKK is loosing a good ride, and I wish the best for the park. I do believe things could have possibly been better if it weren't for the debt that SFI is in.

I hope you don't mind, if I offer my over all speculation for the smaller Six Flags parks. I believe that if they are still not making money after 2012, they will be sold to other theme parks companies that will give them what they need. A lot of theme park companies have been on the look out for partially develop theme parks that have barely been touched and are in prime locations. A European theme park company could easily come in, buy one of the smaller Six Flags parks and turn it into a huge tourist attraction. Over the years, I have noticed that the European theme park companies love to build unique and huge coasters, which then puts them on the same scale as (Cedar Fair) theme parks.

What does everyone think?

[nitrofan]

^I don't know if you knew this, but SFA's Park President told ACE that if the Bankruptcy goes well, they will instal an attraction that will make them very happy in 2011. So if Six Flags is out of Bankruptcy by the end of 2009 as planned, then SFA is pretty likely to get a 2011 coaster!

[SFA Regular]

I see what you are saying, but with SFA it's never a promised deal. That's one of the reasons why the park is in the conditions that it's in. If the park had stuck to it's original master plan, years ago, the park would be a lot better and we would not be in this die hard need of a new ride. It's been about 7 years, sense our last coaster. And even with the economy being the way it is, the bankruptcy could ruin the park even more if it does not go well. Either way the park needs a new coaster.

And I don't know if you knew this but a lot more people from SFA's general area have been going to Kings Dominion instead. Yea, Kings Dominion is 2 hours away but they offer a lot more. Flight of Fear keeps me coming there.

[elvisboogens]

Flight Of Fear at King's Dominion is closing supposedly. We have a thread about it.

http://sfkkonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=265

[elvisboogens]

I went over to take more pics of Chang. They had the Ashton-Adair lot closed due to a lot of track they removed this week being scattered about the lot. So I coudn't get as close as I wanted to take pictures. I didn't get many good ones but I put the best ones in the album.

[nitrofan]

Flight Of Fear at King's Dominion is closing supposedly. We have a thread about it.

http://sfkkonline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=265

It was just one of those crazy rumors that I saw. There really isn't much evidence supporting it, and I just can't see them taking out a coaster to use its building. It's possible though.

I just think Chang is a big chance for Six Flags America to get back in the competition. It is in a huge market, and they are missing an opportunity for a big money-maker. Management has been taking initiative to perform a turnaround on this park, and it's obviously working from my visit in July, they just need corporate's support.

[nitrofan]

I went over to take more pics of Chang. They had the Ashton-Adair lot closed due to a lot of track they removed this week being scattered about the lot. So I coudn't get as close as I wanted to take pictures. I didn't get many good ones but I put the best ones in the album.

They were actually pretty good. I'm excited to see where the track starts showing up. We'll probably find out soon if they are loading it on trucks already.

[elvisboogens]

I was dying to get in there to see where those trucks were headed, but no such luck. Maybe this week sometime.

[nitrofan]

I was dying to get in there to see where those trucks were headed, but no such luck. Maybe this week sometime.

How would you figure that out? Liscense plates don't mean anything. And this is discussion that would belong in the Chang thread that you told us to close. ;)

[elvisboogens]

I don't think the thread should be closed if we talk about Chang.

And why wouldn't knowing where the trucks are from with the parts on it be helpful? You can get all sorts of information about a vehicle from its license plate. Just because the trucks may not be traveling back to their state of origin doesn't mean you can't do a little research and find out more than you knew before.

[nitrofan]

I don't think the thread should be closed if we talk about Chang.

And why wouldn't knowing where the trucks are from with the parts on it be helpful? You can get all sorts of information about a vehicle from its license plate. Just because the trucks may not be traveling back to their state of origin doesn't mean you can't do a little research and find out more than you knew before.

That's true. I'm just sick of hearing things like "There is B&M track on a truck with an Illinois Liscense Plate! SFGAm is getting a new coaster!"

[palmer]

^That quote could mean anything. B&M and stand for a law firm with 2 long last names and formed a B&M law firm. It could be limo services, or funeral services, or landscaping advertising, or even a brand name of food. LOL

[elvisboogens]

I had a little time to kill so I went to see what they got done today and took my camera. It didn't look like they got much done. I did get a great pic of the sign that was at the entrance, which is now lying next to a dumpster on the ground behind Penguin's Blizzard river. It wasn't there when I went over yesterday.

Feel free to check it out.

[Austin]

Maybe. On a side note. We went by chang from watterson and every piece of track it appears up to the first loop, and the lift hill were removed. I might be out there this weekend though

[elvisboogens]

I still have a bunch of pics I took this past saturday to put up. I didn't figure they'd get as much removed in the past few days as they seem to have. I gotta get back over there, sounds like.

[Austin]

Well they had a huge crane towering over the loop so im assuming that work is to that point now.

[bobbinbop20]

as of the 24th of october the only thing left is the lift hill and part of the first drop, they really have taken this thing down quickly!

[Austin]

Yeah lol. I went by sunday on the way to oldham county and the loop was still in tact so that was quick.

[death_by_guitar182]

can someone post some pictures?

[Austin]

We have some pictures around the site. Ill get the links for you.

These are the latest (http://sfkkonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4176#post4176)

These are from a few weeks ago. (http://sfkkonline.com/forums/album.php?albumid=12)

[death_by_guitar182]

We have some pictures around the site. Ill get the links for you.

These are the latest (http://sfkkonline.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4176#post4176)

These are from a few weeks ago. (http://sfkkonline.com/forums/album.php?albumid=12)

Thanks tigerace:D

[Austin]

No problem, glad i could help you out

[death_by_guitar182]

im new here. I live by six flags great america, but I wanted to join kkonline. seems like a nice place! are you guys sad about chang leaving? I hope it comes here, but I feel really bad that you guys lose your best roller coaster. Thats like us losing raging bull!

[Austin]

Im indifferent. I never had a chance to ride it. I wasnt too joyful about having to stand to ride lol.

With an update. All thats left standing is the station with a piece of trank jutting out, and a few supports. I took a picture and man it looks like a mud pit in there lol.

Thanks by the way lol. that was one of my goals heading into the creation of the site.

[Jp]

I should of gone to the park in Augest when my family were in Indiana going to a funeral.

[elvisboogens]

Im indifferent. I never had a chance to ride it. I wasnt too joyful about having to stand to ride lol.

With an update. All thats left standing is the station with a piece of trank jutting out, and a few supports. I took a picture and man it looks like a mud pit in there lol.

I'm sad that in the past 2 weeks I wasn't able to take pictures of the removal of Chang. My album is going to be really skewed with the construction making it to a point and then stopping. I still have pictures from 2 weeks ago from inside and outside the park to put up.

And to Death By Guitar, if you check out the first 10 pages or so of this thread, you will develop quite a clear picture on where everyone stands on Chang's removal. back in the beginning of September when it was big news, feelings were much stronger than they are now. I think we've all come to accept Chang's leaving to varying degrees.

[Austin]

Ill post my lone picture from today lol.

http://i457.photobucket.com/albums/qq297/tigerace81/sixflags11-1-09016.jpg

CAnt see much but the station is there lol.

[cory]

Yea i saw that part of it. They probaly take that down by tommorow because i saw somebody over there when i first got there and that was around 12.

[Austin]

I thought it was odd that about 3 supports were just left standing where the loop was lol.

[nitrofan]

im new here. I live by six flags great america, but I wanted to join kkonline. seems like a nice place! are you guys sad about chang leaving? I hope it comes here, but I feel really bad that you guys lose your best roller coaster. Thats like us losing raging bull!

Welcome, we're glad to have you here!

I think this is a strange move on Six Flags' part, as I think they should have removed T2 or Thunder Run instead, but I have just moved on to hoping Chang moves to a Six Flags park closer to me. Six Flags knows way more about business than I do and I'm sure they know what they are doing and makes the most sense from a business stand-point.

Thanks by the way lol. that was one of my goals heading into the creation of the site.

What was one of your goals?

[Austin]

To make it a nice place to socialize and that stuff. Of course it would be better if we had more people lol.

[death_by_guitar182]

I have read every post in this thread haha. and this is a nice site. thanks for making it. And don't worry, I think its more fun having less people, but im sure lots more will start to join. It would be kool to c chang come to great america...and I hope it is made into a floorless or something. Unlike most people, i really do like iron wolf and think it is a great roller coaster. People seem to judge it to quickly.

[SFNE Expert]

^It is impossible for it to be made floorless. The heartlines would be off.

[nitrofan]

And here we go again...

lol, just kidding. You guys are more than welcome to coninue debating the changing train models, but I just don't see B&M converting the coaster.