Six Flags New Orleans Discussion

[palmer]

http://www.nola.com/business/index.ssf/2009/08/in_a_move_that_mayor.html

Out of all companies...

[nitrofan]

The fact is, if SFNO opens anytime soon, it's just going to fail. So few people are living there right now, I don't know why they are even considering reopening it. Six Flags just needs to take the insurance check, settle with New Orleans, and run.

[palmer]

But, the thing is that Nickelodeon is helping Six Flags out. They would like to get SFNO back, but they just want help to get out of the red in into the black.

[razor12]

The fact is, if SFNO opens anytime soon, it's just going to fail. So few people are living there right now, I don't know why they are even considering reopening it. Six Flags just needs to take the insurance check, settle with New Orleans, and run.


I agree, but I don't think New Orleans is letting then just run. It's a confusing situation, besides, half the lot that the park was on is beyond repair. It's sad, but I doubt the park would reopen under the Six Flags name.

[Austin]

It will be very successful. It made lots of money, like six flags KK. I had the chance to visit the park 1 week before hurricane katrina and was very impressed with it. Many people still live there also.

[palmer]

^If people weren't living there, they wouldn't think about opening it up.

[Austin]

People do live there. Its not as simple as just slapping a "yes we're open!" sign. The rides have to be completely renovated due to saltwater damage. if it was freshwater damage wouldnt be near as bad but salt increases the rate at which metal rusts (look at the bridges. Many have rusted beams underneath from spreading salt in winter)

[palmer]

Well, didn't they remove Batman: The Ride? I thought they sent it to SFFT to become Goliath.

Anyway, of course they have to renovate them. The rides are thrashed. Plus, they have been in movement in about 3 years.

[Austin]

Yeah, it wasnt that good and besides it prevented them from expanding. it now opens a door for future expansion.

I know that. Mos tof the rides that have been moved though have been sent off for renovation.

[palmer]

^True. If Shapiro puts some money in for SFNO to get rides and renovation, the park would look "new".

[Austin]

Yea. They probably are putting work in behind the scenes though that we dont see. I hope it does open.

[palmer]

Well this is good, yet a bit bad. This is from Screamscape:
[Park News - (8/20/09) A couple of news articles have already assigned the Nickelodeon Universe - New Orleans name to the new proposed theme and waterpark project to be built on the former Six Flags New Orleans park site.

Good: SFNO is back in buisness.
Bad: It's not Six Flags buisness.

[nitrofan]

^I think it is good that Six Flags isn't getting involved in this. They have bigger problems to deal with and they can't afford the risk of this park failing.

Six Flags also can't afford to add a new anchor attraction since B:TR was moved, Mega Zeph (wooden coaster) would probably have to be torn down, and they would probably be starting mostly from scratch.

[palmer]

^Thanks for changing the title for me. Yeah, that is true. They don't quite have the money. Yet, Mega Zepher is basically the parks key ride. I wouldn't think they would take it down.

[nitrofan]

Yet, Mega Zepher is basically the parks key ride. I wouldn't think they would take it down.

It was sitting in water for weeks and hasn't been maintained in 3 years. If they did open it, it would be a torture device with how rough it was unless they did an almost complete re-build. I would say get a B&M floorless/Hyper and a GCI and they would be covered on coasters for now.

http://http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/files/sfno_hires_212.jpg

See where it just disappears into the water?

[palmer]

Wow. That sunk like Titanic. :p

Yes, a hyper or floorless is nice, but the rides gonna be the following.

Mega Zeph--> Fairly Odd Coaster
The Jester--> Phantom's Phury (as in Danny Phantom)
Muskrat Scrambler--> Runaway Reptar
Ozarka Splash--> Wild Thornberry's Wild Slide
The Big Easy--> Nickelodeon's Eye in the Sky
The possible B&M Floorless/Hyper --> SpongeBob: The Ride

Too Childish?

[say hi]

I will only go if they have a re-creation of the Chokey Chicken Restaurant from Rocko's Modern Life...and a Legends of the Hidden Temple dark ride.

classic nick aside, I do hope that they can manage to do something cool with the park...its really sad to see it in its current state.

[palmer]

That would be great! How bout some Ren and Stimpy. LOL

[say hi]

The Happy Happy Joy Joy Go-Round'
that'd be pretty awesome. I had some friends who went to SFNO back when it was still open...however, that was nearly 6 years ago...so i really doubt they remember all that much about it.

[rcfreak339]

People still live there....I got to go to New Orleans last spring and it was such a awesome city! Although some parts of it (that includs areas around SFNO) still look as if a wave came crashing down and just whipped out everything. It still is bad down there, Although they are rebuilding. You can see SFNO from the highway heading into the great New Orleans area and it didn't look like it was in that bad of shpe. But I'm sure it still is bad. Whatever that can kick start an amusment park in New Orleans is good.

[palmer]

They need a flyer with the Aviatar Theme. Like, Aviatar: The Airbender's Flight.

The Big Splash falls ride they had should be The Honey B themed with the Watertower from the show (or Hey Arnold!)

Launch coaster themed for Jimmy Neutron.

[Jp]

I have change the name of this thread since Nickelodeon is not part of the park no more!

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When you click on this link of these pictures from November 13, 2009, please read the description on the left. Then on the top click slide show to see all pictures.

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The park looks so bad, it made me sad for the park!:(:(

Here are more pictures!

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[Austin]

zydeco scream looks like its in pretty good condition from the paint. Of course the controls and everything else are screwed pretty much lol.

[Jp]

I was just coming across SFNO.com and there was a post that said Danny and Nickelodian Make Up - Park to open August 1st!!!

I don't know if this is a prank or not, but he has no link and nobody reply to it.
http://unofficialjazzlandinfo.yuku.com/topic/1949/t/Danny-and-Nickelodian-Make-Up-Park-to-open-August-1st.html

[nitrofan]

I was just coming across SFNO.com and there was a post that said Danny and Nickelodian Make Up - Park to open August 1st!!!

I don't know if this is a prank or not, but he has no link and nobody reply to it.
http://unofficialjazzlandinfo.yuku.com/topic/1949/t/Danny-and-Nickelodian-Make-Up-Park-to-open-August-1st.html

It's a prank.

[Jp]

Ok I am just checking.

[Jp]

In New Orleans they are looking for a new mayor. This is what one of their priorities.
renewing efforts in New Orleans east to spur redevelopment of the Plaza shopping mall site and the closed Six Flags amusement park facility.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/topic/mitch-landrieu-mayor-2010-questionnaire,0,3043789.story?track=rss-topicgallery

[SaveKK7]

To me if they close Kentucky Kingdom down then there is no way there thinking about opening another park. Six Flags could not afford to open another park anyways due to bankrupt.

[nitrofan]

To me if they close Kentucky Kingdom down then there is no way there thinking about opening another park. Six Flags could not afford to open another park anyways due to bankrupt.

As far as I know, Six Flags is no longer associated with this park, so it wouldn't be up to them to reopen it unless they decided to lease it again, which I can't see them doing.

I can't see Six Flags opening a new park now, but if the Dubai and Nigeria projects go well, I could see them aquiring new parks in the next 15-20 years. It definately shouldn't be looked into anytime soon though.

[Jp]

This was posted today on the news station in New Orleans. http://www.nola.com/business/index.ssf/2010/04/with_recent_development_buzz_e.html

If you want to help save the park, go here:
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=info&ref=ts&gid=52423221725

[palmer]

Does SFNO really have a chance of being reborn?

[Jp]

Yea, but the city owns it and the major isn't doing nothing about it, so they are waiting for the new major to come and see what he does to the park..

[nitrofan]

If the park opens now, it's just going to fail. New Orleans is still too screwed up from Katrina. They need to wait until their population picks up a but more.

[Jp]

I guess the Sport Complex still around wanting the park. Watch video, when you click link..
http://www.wwltv.com/news/Sports-Complex-Study-Delayed-90805119.html

[Jp]

A Minnesota developer seeking to restore the former Six Flags Theme Park in eastern New Orleans has filed an application with the Industrial Development Board requesting preliminary approval of up to $200 million in bonds for the project.


The Times-PicayuneIn its application, 3 Wise Men Entertainment, Inc. said it wants the bonds to restore existing infrastructure and equipment in the former Six Flags park, which has not reopened since being damaged by flooding in August 2005.

The application will be reviewed by the IDB at its April 20 meeting. If the request is approved, the application will be considered by the State Bond Commission. Bond commission approval would allow the company to begin shopping for investors.

...

According to the application, construction on the site would begin May 25 and conclude in late September 2011. The park would open Oct. 1, 2011 and produce 1,000 permanent full time jobs. The total projected budget for the project is $202 million.

http://www.nola.com/business/index.ssf/2010/04/minnesota_developer_expresses.html

[Jp]

The Minnesota developer with plans to restore the former Six Flags Theme Park in eastern New Orleans has withdrawn its request to appear before the Industrial Development Board today to request preliminary approval of as much as $200 million in bonds for the project, according the board's administrator.

Plans to redevelop the shuttered Six Flags park in eastern New Orleans have foundered. 3 Wise Men Entertainment, a Baton Rouge company created by a Minneapolis real estate development firm, asked last week to be removed from the agenda the day after a news story was published announcing the company's plan to appear before the board.

In its application to the development board, which acts as the city's real estate arm, 3 Wise Men Entertainment. said it wanted the bonds to restore infrastructure and equipment in the former Six Flags park, which has not reopened since being damaged by Hurricane Katrina flooding in August 2005. Last summer two different redevelopment plans were bandied about for the shuttered park, but neither gained traction.

A telephone call to the company was not returned Monday.

In withdrawing from the meeting, 3 Wise Men said it may appear before the board at a later date, a spokeswoman for IDB said. The company's application was to be reviewed by the IDB at today's meeting. If the request had been approved, the application would have been considered by the State Bond Commission. Bond commission approval would allow the company to begin shopping for investors.
http://www.nola.com/business/index.ssf/2010/04/minnesota_developer_withdraws.html

[Jp]

From sfno.com. From the president of Southern Star Amusements.

Six Flags has removed all of the rides and parts that it wanted, the major rides that are left can be rebuilt. The minor rides that are left for the most part are just junk. The reason Six Flags did not move the majors is it has a stock pile of rides of the type that are left and is not interested in spending the 8 to 12 million needed to restore them, let alone the millions to move them. The damage to the rides in some cases is minor and in others major. Six Flags did major damage to Mega Zeph by removing the trains, braking system, safety system and other parts they wanted. The storm also did it a job in 3 areas (that can be repaired) best case repair cost is 2.5 million but more like 3.5 now as time is the enemy here (this holds true for the whole park after almost 5 years) Zydeco Scream, Log Ride, Spillway Splashout, Jester, Dizzy Lizzy, Sky Coaster and the Big Easy can all be rebuilt. The building for the most part can also still be saved. As for the rest of the rides its just to late. But who knows maybe one or two of them may still have some life left. Repairing and rebuilding the park is still something that could be done. Adding a water park is also just a matter of time and money about 20 million to do it right as a start. The whole park can be saved and restored for around 80 to 100 million however there is no will in the City to get it done and less so with investors who look at New Orleans as a place that could go far, but just has to much red tape, crime and government corruption to ever invest in. The New Mayor and Police Chief may help to change the minds of investors, so for now all I can do is keep working to that end, and so I am still here, still working and still holding on to a small hope that a way can be found to save your park.
Failing that I am sure that the park will be torn down, and I will try and build a new park in Mississippi. If that is to be the parks fate then I will ask the City to allow my company to save the rides that can be saved so maybe the Mega Zeph will ride again. Time will tell.
All the Best
Danny
SSAI

[Jp]

Look at how much water that flooded the park.. Click picture for bigger!!
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[Jp]

Today is the 5th anniversary of Hurricane Katrina, here is a video that features SFNO that was uploaded yesturday:
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[Jp]

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The park will go for demolition in Jan of 2011.

Video was made with permission!

[Truth Seeker]

That video was amazing, depressing but, true at the same time. The thought that one day KK could become just like this also frightens me.

[Austin]

Sad its getting the wrecking ball. It was a great park. Really great.

[nitrofan]

Wow, that's a sad video, but it was very well done! I never realized just how bad it was.

[Jp]

It is and there is a movie filming in the park this month (Check locations). It has been confirm on here (http://unofficialjazzlandinfo.yuku.com/topic/1986/t/Park-Security.html?page=1).

More on the movie: http://ww.imdb.com/title/tt0995845/

[Truth Seeker]

The imdb link is not functional...

[Jp]

Ok here you go: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0995845/

[Changsucks]

Lmao, I fell asleep during this video, no joke! It was interesting to watch... but that music...

[Jp]

The city is pending on building the park.

http://www.nola.com/business/index.ssf/2010/11/offer_to_redevelop_six_flags_a.html

Although a video making the rounds on the Internet says that the theme park is scheduled for demolition next year, city officials say there are no plans to demolish the Six Flags Amusement Park and an offer to redevelop the site is still pending.

The six and a half-minute video shot by photographer Teddy Smith, set only to somber music, provides a haunting illustration of the park's unkempt state. Shattered glass from blown out windows and doors still covers the ground. Vandals have covered some walls with graffiti. The park rides, left abandoned since the park shut down, are predictably weathered. At the end of the video, a word blurb says that the park rides are scheduled to be dismantled and the park demolished in January.

But city spokesman Ryan Berni said that "there is no plan" to demolish the site or to dismantle the equipment. Such an action would require approval from the City Council, said Eric Granderson, chief of staff for council chairman Arnie Fielkow. The council is not entertaining any such proposals, Granderson said. "We had heard that rumor," Granderson said. "But it isn't true."

The city also disputes another claim in the video: that it was shot with the city's permission. Berni said Smith was part of a film crew shooting the movie "The Courier" at the site over four days in October. While the film crew had permission to shoot for the movie, Berni said Smith, who lists telephone numbers in Baton Rouge and Los Angeles on his Web site, did not have the city's permission to shoot his own video. Smith did not return a request for comment.

Aside from the recent movie filming and Smith's video, there has been little action at the park, which never reopened after Hurricane Katrina. Private security had been used to guard the site for several years after it closed, but the City Council budget for 2011 does not include it.

The city has ownership of the property after Six Flags terminated its lease with New Orleans in December while undergoing bankruptcy reorganization. The termination agreement called for Six Flags to make a $3 million cash payment to the city. The company also was ordered to give New Orleans 25 percent of its net Katrina-related insurance proceeds for the site on a settlement amount more than $65 million.

Last year, there were competing proposals for the site's development. A start up called Southern Star Amusement that for a short time had an alliance with Nickelodeon wanted to refurbish the park's rides and reopen it as a Nickelodeon branded theme park. Meanwhile, Big League Dreams hoped to build a sports complex. Neither project has moved forward.

The most recent offer to redevelop the park came from Minnesota developer 3 Wise Men Entertainment Inc. In its application to the Industrial Development Board in April, the company said that it would restore "infrastructure, sewer, water, other utilities, building structures and existing park rides," among other things on the 150-acre site. The company's proposal also called for the development of a "resort with a water park and additional theme rides."

According to the application, the total projected budget for the project was $202 million. But just days after its application went public, the company withdrew its request to appear before the Industrial Development Board to request preliminary approval of $200 million in bonds to support the project. The board, which acts as the city's real estate arm, must give initial approval for bonds before a request is made to the Louisiana State Bond Commission.

The application is still pending, IDB Administrator Sharon Martin said. But a date for it to go before the board had not been set as of Wednesday afternoon.

[David]

Well, I wish it was true, because I can't stand to see a park like that.

[Jp]

the man that wanted the park since six flags speaks!!

there has never been mystery investors only people who have come and gone who might have invested if the city would seed control of the park to us. Why do you think we wanted the go zone bonds? The fact is that no investor is going to put money up when you cant even get the terms of a deal for the park. We have made one offer after another allowing the city to check every step of the project to be sure that it was funded. We have offered to put security at the park at no cost to the city to repair the fencing around the park if only the city would allow us to let our engineers do a detailed inspiction to determan what is still usable in order to understand what we need to do and how much it is going to cost. Toon we are sitting on 10 million dollars worth of credit for equipment for the park (rides) as well as 1.5 million in credit for water park equipment. We have deals (credit) to repair the major rides that are still in the park amounting to another 3 million of the 8 million or so that we think may be needed. Toon that's 14.5 million dollars we have ready should we be given the park. There are other deals in the works as well but how can we move forward with no contract with the city? How do you justify asking money from investors when the city will not commit in writing? You think that some one is going to come in and save the day like schlitterbaun? Don't you think we have already talked with them as well as every one else we can think of? People you don't even know all around the industry have been talked to and almost every one has the same answer, we will be willing to talk once you have control of the park.
Toon it may come as a shock to you but we have already invested hundreds of thousands of dollars in this effort, can you name just one other who has? The truth is if all of you got behind us and enlisted every one you know in one major effort together we might be able to move the city into allowing us the chance. If you know some one who is willing to help now would be the time! I am willing to keep trying but time is running out for the park and soon it will be to late to save it. So how about it are you up for a fight to save your park or not? If so lets get a public campaign started to save our park and let city hall know that we want the park back! What are your ideas and what can you do to help? We need sponsors, investors and volunteers who are willing to stand up and help. We need to put on public events to raise funds and to paper the city with petitions calling for the city to act now and allow us the chance to try and save the park!
You can e-mail me at southernstarltd@att.net with ideas or what ever that's my direct e-mail and i will answer you as long as your civil. One last point we have put out a press statement and you can find it by going to www.southernstaramusement.com
thanks
danny
ssai

http://unofficialjazzlandinfo.yuku.com/reply/8396/Yet-another-news-story-on-the-Six-Flags-site-#reply-8396

Maybe we should have a campain like the Hulk Coaster?

[DejaVu2001]

This whole thing would have alot more credibility if this Danny person used proper spelling and grammar consistently.

[nitrofan]

Can they at least use proper capitalization in their letter asking for support?

[David]

Wow. I think they should piss off this kid by bulldozing a ride in front of him. LOL

But in all honesty, CAPITALIZE.

[Jp]

If you want to see what the park looks like on Jan. 21, 2011 from WWLTV news station click here (You can read the story in the website):http://www.wwltv.com/news/City-continues-search-for-redevelopment-ideas-for--114394789.html

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Danny Rogers speaks again!!
The HUD loan is not directly tied to the site at all. There are no leans against it at all. And we are not offering to buy it. Its not the best business deal for anyone. The city owes 15 million give or take still, but the fair market value of the property isn't anywhere near that. Ive talked with area Realtors to get the comps and based on what large pieces of raw acreage is selling for in NOE, it would be worth about 10 million if raw. With the condition of the "improvements" you must go down from there since it is in unusable condition. Its fair market value is closer to 7-8 million, and the city could never justify accepting an offer that low. And a potential buyer could not justify paying twice the fair market value just to satisfy the city's upside down loan. So instead we have proposed a lease agreement very similar to what Six Flags had. the letter of intent the city asked us to draft is at http://www.southernstaramusement.com/files/NO_LOI.pdf.

That was the middle of November. After that we offered to guarantee that the rent plus the sales tax revenues generated at the park would cover the HUD note (1.9 Mil per year) or we would make up the difference. We feel our offer is reasonable considering the condition of the park. Six Flags was paying about 1.4 million per year to as much as 1.7 million per year (it depended on revenue) and they were handed a park in perfect condition. our rent would be about half that based on conservative attendance projections. Considering the condition of the park and the amount we have to do to ever reopen I think that's fair. I am confident that the sales tax revenue will be more then enough to make up the difference, but as I said, we would guarantee any shortfalls.

Maybe in 2 or 3 years from now when the economy is back rolling you could talk some one else in to coming in, IF the place has not been vandalized so much by then that there is no point. That is a really BIG maybe! It would be an out of state company who could care less about the locals. And most likely want a TIF to even bother with it. Would the city and the people really want to add to the debt?? In the mean time we could be up and going and turning the place into something better then it ever was and at the same time saving the city and its tax payers 1.9 million per year. We would be working with local groups, every thing from non profits that want to improve the lives the city's youth, to high school entrepreneurial programs that can make t-shirts to sell at the park (as an idea), to areas foundations to help the city musicians.

And Toon, I dont want to be confrontational with you either. You had some good ideas, that like I said before, really fit into what we had already proposed to the city. We have even talked with some of potential investors you've mentioned from time to time. Green Building, etc., we want that too. We talked to a local Solar outfit a long while ago in fact. There are some good tubular skylights that we have looked into for the bathrooms and other ares to reduce the cost of operations. As far as reaching out, the city has reached out. Nobody else is intrested. They even had the folks from Blue Bayou / Dixie Landing come up for a look! How long do we you want them to sit and wait for that knight on the white horse to ride in? (News flash he's not coming!!!) You dont think that by now every one in the industry dosent know this park is just sitting? Do you see them pouring into town compeating to make an offer? Funny I was at IAAPA this year talking with every one I know and not one of them is intrested in going it alone! However some of them would indeed step in and help us if we do ever get the park. Trust me on this Toon they know all about this park! I don't know how unusual or mysterious the way I do business is. I kept thing quite and away from publicity while we tried to negotiate. But negotiating is a two way street. You don't hear about deals with the government until their done, but we want to be public about this and so that's why we put the redevelopment plans and now the LOI on our web site. If you don't think its a good deal for the city, then tell me what you would offer differently? What would you tell a potential investor while you sat and waited for the city to do something? What exactly dose the city have to lose by agreeing to a simple letter of intent?

Thanks
Danny
SSAI

[David]

The park looks terrible.

[Austin]

Wow. This guy can't be serious. "There are no leans.." Its definitely liens. This guy is definitely not professional

[Jp]

Danny joined Theme Park Review so people can ask him questions and such..

I ask him:
Will any of the other coasters will stay?!? If you open the park!
http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18622&view=unread#p992857

He wrote back saying!!
To answer your question other then Mega Zeph there are two other steel coaster that will remain both are Vokoma and can be rebuilt with very little problem. Both would get new trains, new control systems as well as all new safety and braking systems and would be state of the art when reopened. There has been talk about redoing Mega Zeph with the new steel rail system as well. And yes before you ask we do have 2 other coasters in mind to bring in. But this may be after the first season depending on the investment we have to work with. The coasters we have in mind are both used but major steel, There is one other coaster left the Muskrat Scrambler (Wild Mouse) built by L&T Systems. This ride is in very poor condition and may need to be removed (replaced) and if so this would be new coaster number 3 (used rebuilt replacement) A water park is planed for the area that the Batman coaster was in and a replacement for the kiddie coaster removed by Six Flags is also planed for the first season.

I hope this answers your question

Thanks
Danny
SSAI
http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=18622&view=unread#p992976

[DejaVu2001]

The man can't even spell VEKOMA. Seriously. And he thinks he is capable of fixing a severely damaged park, and then run it. He can't even spell the name of a ride manufacturer.

[Austin]

This guy's a disgrace to liars.

[nitrofan]

This guy's a disgrace to liars.

I don't think it's fair to call him a liar, but the spelling needs to get fixed if he's going to run an amusement park.

[Austin]

It just screams obsessed fan. All coasters getting state of the art control, braking and safety systems? 2 new coasters? New waterpark? I mean this is too good to be true and the guy has no investors or state help etc. His grammar and spelling don't help either.

[Jp]

They have now made their plans public and online for everyone to see, just click here (http://www.southernstaramusement.com/files/NORedevelopmentPlan.pdf).
The plan would see the old park redeveloped and brought back to life and divided into four themed zones: The Quarter, Bayou, Sportsman’s Paradise and Pontchartrain Beach, along with future plans to add a waterpark area as well.

[Austin]

^ Don't forget the Sports Complex, Retail District like City Walk and Downtown Disney, backlot/studio, and the other stuff on their. I just don't see how they will have the parking space for all this

[David]

Wow. Looks like they want this to become an empire within days. I don't think they realize the financial undertaking of a park like this, with all the re-building that will be necessarily. Might as well start all over..

[Austin]

I just see this as a failure waiting to happen. You got SFOT, SFFT to your left. To your right you got Dollywood, SFOG, Disney, Legoland, Busch, Universal. And to the North west theres SFSTL. And if you really want to, Kings Dominion.

I just don't see them having the capital to make a dent in the market down there.